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The fact of just changing the language thinking that we are stupid or something it’s mad. He doesn’t care a bit about the community thinks, for me he should not be involved in anything relative to manage in BB for a second longer. After everything that he has donde in the past, now doing such a disgusting thing and not regretting about it but laught at our faces it’s wild.

For me it’s clear #AlonsoOut

Last edited by Villodres16 at 8/27/2024 4:17:18 AM

If Alonso were not part of the game staff, his 'joke' would bother me, but it would be up to the GMs to decide whether it is sanctionable or not. The problem arises if he is (supposedly) part of the game staff, which would mean that his words represent those of the current owners of BB.

Therefore, if Alonso makes an apology for Nazism, jokingly or not, until there is a clarification from the new staff, I will assume that they do not see anything wrong with this situation and that they are not opposed to the apology for Nazism.

(https://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/bbstaff.aspx)

What really bothers me is the awkward silence from someone on the BB staff.
No GM has even dared to write anything, but let's not lie... If we were talking about some other manager, this thread would already be closed and everything solved.

I was reading the Discord tonight and there was also an accusation towards Alonso, referring to him advising other managers to buy 34-year-old players at the end of last season, before the implementation of the new age-limit of dropping skills.
No evidence, but also no denial... I'm sure someone in his position wouldn't dare to do this, but it's funny that his name always comes up in every case that doesn't bring anything good to the game; we all here have seen some of his posts in Forums of other countries after playing against Israel.

In the end, it's one action after another, which shouldn't matter, but coming from who it's coming from, it's something that shouldn't happen anymore.

Last edited by LA-Gerard (g3rjo) at 8/27/2024 7:27:15 AM

A GM without title in the nickname. The special one.

Free speech ≠ speech without consequences

There's a difference between consequences from the government and consequences from the court of public opinion. Freedom of speech protects from government consequences, not public opinion consequences.

If I harass someone and follow them down the street and they record me and I lose my job, that's a consequence. If I make Hitler jokes on the website of the company I work for I'll probably lose my job as well. If I say Alonso is a potato and he should be planted in a field, BB can't put me in jail as a consequence, they can however choose to give me a warning, fine me, or ban me if they feel it is appropriate.

I think this is going to become a political debate, and this is not the right place to have it.

The point about Alonso is this: there are no motivation for sanction, there is no damage done, there is no offense made, there is NOTHING.

Anti-fascists tend to know that in a tolerant society, you must be intolerant to intolerance. We can't just be out there normalizing Nazism.

this is plain stupid (I know internet is full of wrong Popper citation, but nobody read the original)

Anyway. This is not the place for a political debate.


Last edited by elpupe at 8/27/2024 8:07:17 AM

That is fine and dandy but this is the same guy who banned someone for giving a player a sexual nickname.
I think it was Dan "long dong" Silver. In my opinion, if you can't follow the rules, don't try and enforce them on others.

I'm sorry I don't consider that someone can make jokes about Nazism, Nazism has no place in bad taste jokes.
The apology for Nazism should be condemned anywhere who may consider it to be a joke in bad taste, so they have the same problem as someone who defends a genocidal movement.
That said, Alonso should be out of this game immediately, he, his team and everything that has to do with him.

If a normal user says five insults on the forums in fifteen years, he is banned from the game forever.

BB-Alonso sends DMs to the Polish coach laughing what happened in the past, calls his players offensive names (that is not a simple joke) and go around the forums laughing at everyone, going unpunished for any crime. .

Where is the line between "inappropriates" attitudes or not?

I'm sure most of the BB staff laugh at all BB-Alonso's jokes, otherwise someone would have written something here or made a decision about it.

Last edited by carlos88vazquez at 8/27/2024 9:04:21 AM

That is fine and dandy but this is the same guy who banned someone for giving a player a sexual nickname.
I think it was Dan "long dong" Silver. In my opinion, if you can't follow the rules, don't try and enforce them on others.

I don't know if this is true, but I agree with the principle.

What I disagree are the requests for ban..
Imho people that can't stand a joke on hitler or distinguish a bad joke from a crime, well they should be considered a danger to the community.

The recent discussion about some users in the forum has come to my attention.

I have politely asked Alonso to remove any Nazi references related to the mentioned player. Even if it was intended as a joke, it was inappropriate, and we strongly condemn any reference to Nazism.

We acknowledge the importance of educating future generations about World War II, the atrocities, crimes against humanity, and the Holocaust.

I want to emphasize that politics are ABSOLUTELY not allowed in BB. This is one of the first rules of the forum. We will not allow the BB Forums to become a place to attack any country, make accusations against any country or manager, or target any specific race or religion. BB is a basketball manager game, and there is no room for such behavior.

We are here because we enjoy basketball and management games, which have nothing to do with politics.

We will sanction those who disrupt the gaming experience for others, and I fully support any GM who takes action against such managers.

BuzzerBeater should be a game that unites people, not divides them.

Regarding Alonso's role: since I joined BB, he has approached me and helped me understand certain issues, primarily technical ones. He has also reported the current status of the game to me and made official announcements after receiving my approval.

We are currently very busy with the game's conversion, so we do not have the time to focus on all the day-to-day operations, which are handled by EGM, GMs, BB-Marin, and BB-Justin.

If we had to focus on these daily operations, we would have to pause the game's conversion and improvement, which would be detrimental to everyone.

I receive a lot of BB-mails and Discord DMs daily, and with all the work we have to do, it is nearly impossible to handle them. Most of these messages are game-related debates that should be addressed directly to the GMs, and I often lack the context to make the right decisions.

I hope this clarifies the matter once and for all. I wish everyone continues to enjoy BB for what it is—a wonderful basketball game that has entertained us for many years and will hopefully do so for many more to come!