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Why not ?
I have 46 pickup games to play ;)

This is a lot of work and takes a lot of time.
I always see this when organizing our ongoing PLs.
Perhaps (once the GE update is complete) there will be the possibility of setting up a tournament similar to BBM:
Anyone who is HG can participate, anyone who buys a non-HG player during the season will be replaced by a bot.
HG bot teams fill the tournament to have the required number of teams (as long as we remain bound by Pascal's triangle).

Thanks and welcome, Coach Faz and demars - now there's at least three of us. There's still plenty of room in this league, so all the rest, please join if you feel like it! And if you know there are some homegrown managers in your country that you're aware of who don't speak English, feel free to inform them of this possibility in their own language if you feel like doing so (by doing so you'd be helping out a big time to gather as big participating group as possible).

However, whether or not it's going to be an official league, I'd find it totally essential that homegrown league will always remain free for qualifying teams to participate - in my opinion BBHG should never be a typical private league, where you need to have purchased a supporter package in order to be able to participate in it.

If we think of pros and cons making Buzzerbeater homegrown (BBHG) an official league (which would require an acceptance from the owners of the BB?), I suppose I wrote about them in my previous two messages.
But I think pros would definitely include that
- it would take lots of work out of it for the league commissioner/record keeper,
- give this league a lot more visibility (and maybe popularity?) within BB community, and
- possibly even would encourage new teams to become totally homegrown which is obviously a huge bonus. I'm trying to do just that with these writings, but there's only so much one can do when compared to if it would become an official BB league.
-It would also ensure that all matches will be played (of course forfeits would still be possible) no matter how dedicated the team manager is (or isn't).

We would lose (probably - I don't know how much you can alter things in terms of league format and rules in BB private leagues?) a freedom with determining details of the league system, such as:
- total control on how and when league is played,
- how groups are divided and which teams play in which group,
- what determines who will play in playoffs,
- in what order tiebreaker-situation rules are enforced,
- what kind of elimination system is used in playoffs,
- how to determine penalties for teams for the ongoing and coming seasons who don't follows some essential league rules etc.) for each season, and
-I'm afraid we'd also have possibly lot more bots in the leagues.

Personally I really dislike leagues that have plenty of bots in them, and in my opinion it should be a clear goal that there are no bots in BBHG league(s) to begin with, and having a flexible league and playoffs format (that could even change from season to another if number of participating teams or peoples' opinion would support that decision) would allow that. There might not be totally suitable amount of teams willing to participate each season to accommodate all possible league systems (for instance 16 teams league), but that's why having freedom in choosing league system would come in handy. Another problem with bots is that having unequal amount of bots in different groups (of same level league) makes differences between groups unfair to some teams.

In terms of how bots would appear in a BBHG league, there could be for instance a rule that your team will become a bot if you'll fail to organize a match... but was it so that you can't organize all the pick up matches at once, so that it could be confirmed from each teams' coming matches-page before the season begins that everyone has organized a proper regular season matchups for their teams? If not, would there be a possibility that team is not able to organize a match because an opponent, for any reason, will not accept their pick up match request? If so, that would create tricky situation for a league commissioner/record keeper (especially if there would be penalties for teams who don't follow the rules, which is the kind of rule I'd vote for): who is going to prove and how, that it hasn't been their fault that this match hasn't been organized in the first place?)).

Question to LA-flaterik123:
That was my initial fear that it could be a lot of work for league commissioner/record keeper, and for that reason of course it would be so much easier to be able to do it within this original BB "framework" (league structures, rules, etc.).
Do you have some kind of information about this possibility that you mentioned in your message (setting up an official type of homegrown league after GE update is complete - I wonder if you or anyone has an information about when that GE is supposed to be complete) as that would of course be an interesting possibility?

If it's going to happen "sometimes in the future", I might find it better to try to organize something sooner in "unofficial way".

On the other hand, if owners and developers of BB are showing green light to this idea and are ready to implement such an official league to BB, I'd very happily and thankfully welcome that possibility too.


From one subject to another: one challenge this kind of league always faces (unless some other restrictions/rules will be made to restrict this) is that the effect of the amount of money team possesses can't be taken out of the equation completely. As an example one may have sold a drafted player for instance on $5K and buys them back when some other teams has trained him, after which his salary is, say, $50-200K. In that case he/she would still be eligible to participate in this BBHG league, while they haven't done all the training themselves (but rather drafted a player who someone else has trained, and then bought them back).

Personally I have one player in my roster (that has been in my original roster) that I have since bought back, but the thing here was that his wage and TSP when I bought him back was LESS than when I sold him in the first place, so I gained nothing in this process in terms of adding TSP or wage levels of my players.

As a reminder to all, as far as currently qualifying to homegrown team has been implemented/decided, you may have purchased your own drafted players back and still qualify as a home grown. I don't see this being a huge problem (especially as being homegrown isn't hugely popular in BB currently), yet there remains a possibility that one or few teams really could take an advantage of this in the future if they have the financial means to do it.

So in that sense it might be good to remain open to the possibility to restrict participating to BBHG if exploiting this by some teams seems to make playing field very unequal in some time in the future - one of the ideas of this kind of league in my opinion essentially also is to be able to compare who has drafted and trained their players better, not who has got the biggest bank account and therefore the better team. Again, this surely might remain as a divisive question and at least for now I'm not suggesting that we should implement this restriction in the first place.

However, if we'd ever decide to implement such restriction, one of the ways achieving this (if we would ever have to consider some restrictions to guarantee a fair, even playing field and keep the core ideas of why league was established in the first place alive), could be to be giving a homegrown team eligibility to participate in the league if the wage of players you have purchased back is same or less than what it was when you sold them - in that way, you wouldn't gain anything by purchasing them back. I understand this principle might divide opinions, and I suspect we'd never have to go this far in terms of restricting rules, but now the idea/possibility has been thrown out to you guys anyway to possibly awaken some conversation.

Thanks for all to you who have taken time to read these lengthy writings... :)

Question to LA-flaterik123:
That was my initial fear that it could be a lot of work for league commissioner/record keeper, and for that reason of course it would be so much easier to be able to do it within this original BB "framework" (league structures, rules, etc.).
Do you have some kind of information about this possibility that you mentioned in your message (setting up an official type of homegrown league after GE update is complete - I wonder if you or anyone has an information about when that GE is supposed to be complete) as that would of course be an interesting possibility?

If it's going to happen "sometimes in the future", I might find it better to try to organize something sooner in "unofficial way".

On the other hand, if owners and developers of BB are showing green light to this idea and are ready to implement such an official league to BB, I'd very happily and thankfully welcome that possibility too.

The swiss-chess-system or double-elimination (streetball mode) for tournaments has been suggested multiple times and found it’s way to the BBM.

So since the routine is already there, it should be possible to add it to PL … but I am just hoping for it, I do not have any other information.

So I did a homegrown (absolutely 0 players from TL) back in the S20s. And there was a definite ceiling of D.II middle of the pack was as high as the team could achieve. Now, it might be *possible* to go farther now, with the decline of skills of players pushed back farther, and advancements to arena facilities since then (training court for FTs, gym for helping with those multi-position trainings one has to do as 100% home grown). But I do agree that there is a limitation to the possible success one can attain doing such a strategy.

I don’t know if they had planned to have a separate league just for teams that do this, and if they did, I cannot imagine how they would try and implement it since it’s so easy to break out of homegrown. But, if this was a thought they had- how would they fairly provide the equality to teams of this nature to where they could fairly compete for BBB as a homegrown team?

Hi. How is your best player? I mean TSP/potential.

My superstar reach 142 TSP

Hi. How is your best player? I mean TSP/potential.

My superstar reach 142 TSP

Prove it … 142 TSP???

Now:

154/10
130/8
127/8

128 / 8
124 / 10
108 / 9
103 / 9
101 / 8

A very well-balanced team :)
(maybe too much !)