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Question to LA-flaterik123:
That was my initial fear that it could be a lot of work for league commissioner/record keeper, and for that reason of course it would be so much easier to be able to do it within this original BB "framework" (league structures, rules, etc.).
Do you have some kind of information about this possibility that you mentioned in your message (setting up an official type of homegrown league after GE update is complete - I wonder if you or anyone has an information about when that GE is supposed to be complete) as that would of course be an interesting possibility?

If it's going to happen "sometimes in the future", I might find it better to try to organize something sooner in "unofficial way".

On the other hand, if owners and developers of BB are showing green light to this idea and are ready to implement such an official league to BB, I'd very happily and thankfully welcome that possibility too.


From one subject to another: one challenge this kind of league always faces (unless some other restrictions/rules will be made to restrict this) is that the effect of the amount of money team possesses can't be taken out of the equation completely. As an example one may have sold a drafted player for instance on $5K and buys them back when some other teams has trained him, after which his salary is, say, $50-200K. In that case he/she would still be eligible to participate in this BBHG league, while they haven't done all the training themselves (but rather drafted a player who someone else has trained, and then bought them back).

Personally I have one player in my roster (that has been in my original roster) that I have since bought back, but the thing here was that his wage and TSP when I bought him back was LESS than when I sold him in the first place, so I gained nothing in this process in terms of adding TSP or wage levels of my players.

As a reminder to all, as far as currently qualifying to homegrown team has been implemented/decided, you may have purchased your own drafted players back and still qualify as a home grown. I don't see this being a huge problem (especially as being homegrown isn't hugely popular in BB currently), yet there remains a possibility that one or few teams really could take an advantage of this in the future if they have the financial means to do it.

So in that sense it might be good to remain open to the possibility to restrict participating to BBHG if exploiting this by some teams seems to make playing field very unequal in some time in the future - one of the ideas of this kind of league in my opinion essentially also is to be able to compare who has drafted and trained their players better, not who has got the biggest bank account and therefore the better team. Again, this surely might remain as a divisive question and at least for now I'm not suggesting that we should implement this restriction in the first place.

However, if we'd ever decide to implement such restriction, one of the ways achieving this (if we would ever have to consider some restrictions to guarantee a fair, even playing field and keep the core ideas of why league was established in the first place alive), could be to be giving a homegrown team eligibility to participate in the league if the wage of players you have purchased back is same or less than what it was when you sold them - in that way, you wouldn't gain anything by purchasing them back. I understand this principle might divide opinions, and I suspect we'd never have to go this far in terms of restricting rules, but now the idea/possibility has been thrown out to you guys anyway to possibly awaken some conversation.

Thanks for all to you who have taken time to read these lengthy writings... :)

Question to LA-flaterik123:
That was my initial fear that it could be a lot of work for league commissioner/record keeper, and for that reason of course it would be so much easier to be able to do it within this original BB "framework" (league structures, rules, etc.).
Do you have some kind of information about this possibility that you mentioned in your message (setting up an official type of homegrown league after GE update is complete - I wonder if you or anyone has an information about when that GE is supposed to be complete) as that would of course be an interesting possibility?

If it's going to happen "sometimes in the future", I might find it better to try to organize something sooner in "unofficial way".

On the other hand, if owners and developers of BB are showing green light to this idea and are ready to implement such an official league to BB, I'd very happily and thankfully welcome that possibility too.

The swiss-chess-system or double-elimination (streetball mode) for tournaments has been suggested multiple times and found it’s way to the BBM.

So since the routine is already there, it should be possible to add it to PL … but I am just hoping for it, I do not have any other information.

So I did a homegrown (absolutely 0 players from TL) back in the S20s. And there was a definite ceiling of D.II middle of the pack was as high as the team could achieve. Now, it might be *possible* to go farther now, with the decline of skills of players pushed back farther, and advancements to arena facilities since then (training court for FTs, gym for helping with those multi-position trainings one has to do as 100% home grown). But I do agree that there is a limitation to the possible success one can attain doing such a strategy.

I don’t know if they had planned to have a separate league just for teams that do this, and if they did, I cannot imagine how they would try and implement it since it’s so easy to break out of homegrown. But, if this was a thought they had- how would they fairly provide the equality to teams of this nature to where they could fairly compete for BBB as a homegrown team?

Hi. How is your best player? I mean TSP/potential.

My superstar reach 142 TSP

Hi. How is your best player? I mean TSP/potential.

My superstar reach 142 TSP

Prove it … 142 TSP???

Now:

154/10
130/8
127/8

128 / 8
124 / 10
108 / 9
103 / 9
101 / 8

A very well-balanced team :)
(maybe too much !)

136/10
134/8
130/9
128/9
122/8

The swiss-chess-system or double-elimination (streetball mode) for tournaments has been suggested multiple times and found it’s way to the BBM.

So since the routine is already there, it should be possible to add it to PL … but I am just hoping for it, I do not have any other information.

Thanks for a response.
Personally I'm not especially familiar with swiss-chess-system or double elimination tournaments (especially how future fixtures are determined in swiss-chess-system), and after taking a quick look at both of those tournament structures/typical rules I'd find this typical Buzzerbeater round robin system (everyone plays against everyone, at least within their group, possibly once or more) to better suit homegrown league - especially as I'm not expecting we're going to have trouble with too many participating teams (as is the case in BBM). As I'm writing this, there are currently 3 of us interested in joining the league, so there's still plenty of room for all the rest... please feel free to join! :)
Also in terms of playoffs, I think single elimination tournament would be the way to go. There's a difference between single elimination tournament and, say, best of 7 series and I definitely prefer former.

However, if this BBHG league would be an official add-on to Buzzerbeater, then I'd be open also to these other formats that LA-flaterik123 mentioned (even though I still don't necessarily see the point of doing it that way - I guess one of the rare benefits in swiss-chess-system would be that you don't have to have certain amount of teams to start the league without bots, should there be a restriction in exact number of teams needed to start the league to begin with?).

So I did a homegrown (absolutely 0 players from TL) back in the S20s. And there was a definite ceiling of D.II middle of the pack was as high as the team could achieve. Now, it might be *possible* to go farther now, with the decline of skills of players pushed back farther, and advancements to arena facilities since then (training court for FTs, gym for helping with those multi-position trainings one has to do as 100% home grown). But I do agree that there is a limitation to the possible success one can attain doing such a strategy.

It is very hard indeed, yet some of the teams have managed to do very well with being homegrown. For most managers it's not probably realistic to expect a massive success when becoming homegrown, but on the other hand it offers so much more when you do achieve some success. Success, however, isn't comparable to other teams in your league (you are very lucky if there is another HG team in your league, as there are not so many of us), and that's where this new Homegrown League would come handy - we all would compete within the same rules and restrictions (and not against teams that have been built by purchasing).
Those changes you mentioned certainly help - even though benefits of them are available to all but still they are so essential to HG teams.

I don’t know if they had planned to have a separate league just for teams that do this, and if they did, I cannot imagine how they would try and implement it since it’s so easy to break out of homegrown. But, if this was a thought they had- how would they fairly provide the equality to teams of this nature to where they could fairly compete for BBB as a homegrown team?

I'm not aware that anyone would've planned anything in terms of creating a separate (practically additional league, bit like a PL but without the need of being a supporter) league, and that's why I took an initiative on this. I Still haven't approached Buzzerbeater staff/owners about this though, but maybe if they read this and want to discuss things further they can of course participate the conversation here or send me a message.

If one or some teams participating would become non-homegrown during the season, I guess one of the ways to implement it would be so that your team would be thrown out of the league immediately if they lack homegrown status at any part during the season (and possibly bot would replace that "forfeited" team in the league?).

As for the comment about HG teams being able to compete fairly in BBB, I'm not sure I understood your point (sorry, I'm not a native speaker...). But if I understood right I guess that it would be way too much to ask from BB staff to consider that, and personally I wouldn't expect them to make any changes in homegrown teams' "ability to compete in a fair manner against other teams" - that's one of the reason's why I'd like to see BBHG league in action, because it would be "an isolated league" from all the other official leagues, and then there would be finally a possibility to determine the best homegrown teams in Buzzerbeater.