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314816.69 in reply to 314816.68
Date: 6/12/2023 1:38:53 PM
white snake
II.1
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Black Forest Boars
Yes, this is correct indeed.
But I prefer using low SB players with high defense ( is this better for defending the opponent from scoring? )

Higher ID is better for defending the opponent. Let us make a scenario with made up numbers.

Without a defender the attacker would have a success rate of 70%.

Now you defend him in the paint. ID will lower this 70% to 55%. You increase your ID and it drops ro 45%. And so on.
At some point the drop rate will be almost non existent, because your ID is so overwhelming.
So the attacker has now 42% as a success rate. Your player decreasesd it thanks to his ID down from 70%. It attacker decides to take the shot. Now SB kicks in. Without a good/high SB the attacker can still score with a good %. If SB is high, it will just alter or block (% drops to 0%) the shot.

What is better for you and your team, only you can tell ;) I think it is just a way of playing this game. You prefer ID>>SB and I like SB>ID.

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314816.70 in reply to 314816.69
Date: 6/12/2023 7:33:46 PM
RB Warriors
II.1
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2020
Thanks very much!
Totally understood.
Actually I like ID more because I don't want to use those weeks to train SB, rather than other skills

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314816.71 in reply to 314816.66
Date: 6/14/2023 4:07:55 AM
Cobra Kai
III.10
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Second Team:
Wu Tang Clan
When I build and and analysed Haek, the better he got, the more the engine tried to evade him. The big besides him got more and more actions to defend and had more blocks.


So if I understand correctly, since haek was the initial target of the engine (let's say in the first 15 minutes), opponent got more shots against him, resulting in shotblocks , after that the opponent's coach shifted the shots to your other big guy who made shotblocks on his own even though his SB was not high? or because haek helped him alter the shots because he was constantly improving in SB & engine tried to avoid him after a 15 minutes time out for example?

I'm trying to understand the timeline/scenario of your other bigs increasing their shotblocks even though their SB was much lower than their ID

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314816.72 in reply to 314816.71
Date: 6/14/2023 6:37:25 AM
white snake
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Black Forest Boars
When I build and and analysed Haek, the better he got, the more the engine tried to evade him. The big besides him got more and more actions to defend and had more blocks.


So if I understand correctly, since haek was the initial target of the engine (let's say in the first 15 minutes), opponent got more shots against him, resulting in shotblocks , after that the opponent's coach shifted the shots to your other big guy who made shotblocks on his own even though his SB was not high? or because haek helped him alter the shots because he was constantly improving in SB & engine tried to avoid him after a 15 minutes time out for example?

I'm trying to understand the timeline/scenario of your other bigs increasing their shotblocks even though their SB was much lower than their ID

It is more a general topic and not bound to the first minutes.

Your oppenent starts his play. They run the offense and search for a high % shooting spot.
Haek took away such spots. The other big was compaired to him the better option.
Example:
Against Haek you would have 20% of success, against the other one 40%. So you try it against the other one.

In the end Haek had ID18 and SB19, my PF had ID13 and SB14 and was the weak spot in the paint.

When both were more or less at the same level, both had around 10 defended shots per game.
With ID16 and SB16, Haek had around 13 defended shots per game. The PF dropped to 6.
But with ID18 and SB19 Haek dropped to 7 defended shots per game and the PF went up to almost 15.
It ended even with the point, that two different bigs from me, won the #1 worldwide in blocks at the end of a season. But non of them was Haek.

The offense saw two mismatches.
One against Haek, which was good for me and one against the PF, which was "good" for the opponent.

I am sure, if my PF had ID13 and SB16+ at that time, he would be a better blocker and get more blocks.

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314816.73 in reply to 314816.66
Date: 8/9/2023 12:38:37 AM
Syndicalists' BC
Naismith
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Maximum 3 skills between your ID and the opponents IS.

Since 3 is the max differential, if you can't get to within 3 are you better off tanking that skill? If most of your opponents have 22+ IS, if you can't have 19 ID, are you better off tanking ID and focusing on OD/IS/RB/SB?

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314816.74 in reply to 314816.73
Date: 8/13/2023 6:35:49 AM
white snake
II.1
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Black Forest Boars
No. You will give up even more. Within the 3 skills you have the biggest impact. Ever up is getting your player better and better. One skill depends on the other ( e.g. SB on ID and OD). If you tank one, you will harm other skills or actions.

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314816.76 in reply to 314816.75
Date: 9/17/2023 11:37:49 PM
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I saw some table saying that one is more PG/SG centered and the second one is more SG/SF centered, but I do not remember which was which.

As someone who used Motion in the past, I would find the answer to this and the following questions.

1) How much the offense shifts when one of the guards or the SF is the better scorer
2) The effect of the opponent's defense on the offense (weak spots and mismatches, PF/C taking more shots)
3) At what point secondaries on PF/C have diminishing returns

Last edited by Big Dogs at 9/17/2023 11:39:24 PM

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314816.77 in reply to 314816.1
Date: 9/18/2023 12:01:47 PM
Syndicalists' BC
Naismith
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303303
I know it’s already late in the season and long after the announcement, but I just wanted to add this in case it wasn’t clear to everyone already.

The changes to Assists/Passing can and will change how different tactics perform.

There are many factors that determine a tactic’s performance like pace, focus, players skills, game shape, and enthusiasm.

Examples:
- Isolation offenses like Outside Isolation, Patient, and Inside Isolation will be impacted differently than the non-isolation offenses
- Slow offenses will be impacted differently than fast offenses
- inside offenses will see different impacts than outside offenses

You can visit your local Game Manual for a reminder on the specific differences between tactics: /community/rules.aspx?nav=Tactics




From: CoachP

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314816.78 in reply to 314816.70
Date: 9/22/2023 11:35:45 AM
Corntucky Mildcats
III.3
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123123
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Winchester Crows
Psst. SB trains ID and RB faster than u think.


Last edited by CoachP at 9/22/2023 11:36:14 AM

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314816.79 in reply to 314816.78
Date: 9/22/2023 11:46:23 AM
Corntucky Mildcats
III.3
Overall Posts Rated:
123123
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Winchester Crows
This is a bit of a philosophical divide no doubt.

Personally, I like a mix of both. I like some soft details revealed, but I am not sure this game even exists right now if it was all open knowledge for the past decade. That would have, long ago, turned BB into an excel sheet with no mystery left to it.

It's a long-term game. That, I am sure we can all agree on.

And maybe we can all agree that Buzzerbeater also a game that fosters patience and discipline. There are so few games like this nowadays.

Slowly, over years, working together to ferret out information is part of what has made the community special and strong.

I agree with cleaning up the game manual, but I don't want exact numbers revealed to the entire manager base. Equity is when those who work hard and put in more time are rewarded. This game has equity right now. The more curious you are, the more you discover. The lazier you are, the less you know.

Personally, I'd like to keep it that way.

Be more like Charlie than Veruca. That's my motto.


Last edited by CoachP at 9/22/2023 11:47:03 AM

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