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Hi,

As you know, the enthusiasm for both teams take isn't visible to anyone unless it's a CT-TIE match.
Nevertheless, there's no rule which makes publishing the enthusiasm by one of the parties illegal, and many managers choose to let the world know if someone CT'd them or if they TIE'd which to my point of view is pretty unfair to the other team because it lets their next opponent know how to handle the match.
If those in charge feels it's appropriate to act this way, there's no need to hide them.
I believe it should be like player skills.

I would really like to hear what others think about this matter, as well as the GMs/BBs opinion.

Thanks,
yaniv

I don't see a motivation to told others my opponent crunchtimed (although I guess there can be circumstances to do so).

The reason (that it is like it is) is that BB can control communication among managers outside of BB website. It would be futile to make restrictions about thing for which you don't need BB website. That doesn't mean enthusiasm should be known by everybody.

In addition:

- some team would want to keep their enthusiasm secret for strategic reason - for example as a way to upset a higher-ranked team whatever; and quite rightfully so
- knowing that some team played tie, normal or ct one game doesn't mean much (except ct usually), especially if you half-through the season and don't know the previous enthusiasm level of that team
- even if you can guess enthusiasm quite precisely, that doesn't automatically mean you know how to handle the next match
- enthusiasm can be traced quite easily anyway, ratings are your friends
- the same as about mutual tie agreements - the source can bluff, lie and although such things are not common I guess, you still can't rely on such an info 100%
- and if whole league wants to team up on one team that way, they would anyway (with questionable success), one step is to know a thing and second is to use it for your good, which can be pretty difficult

so my two cents, let just people tell others whatever they want (whatever withing the rules) if they think it can help them (you can't forbid that effectively anyway) and let those who cares to get advantage from additional research (scouting)

It's true that no one can control off site activities, but it's the same for telling other people player skills, which is still considered illegal as far as i know.

It's true that no one can control off site activities, but it's the same for telling other people player skills, which is still considered illegal as far as i know.

thats new for me

It's true that no one can control off site activities, but it's the same for telling other people player skills, which is still considered illegal as far as i know.

thats new for me

So it's totally legal to post the skills of your opponents players?

You claims that's illegal - so it is up to you to link where it iswritten in the rules or something?

You probably mix two thing - what is ethical and what is legal.

I don't claim, I ask.
I just remember when I started playing BB that I saw a post one time in the forum with the skills of a player which was no longer out in the market, and one of the GM's deleted the message.
I don't remember seeing it in the rules.

Nevertheless, I'm not asking about player skills, I wish to open a debate about the legitimicy of publishing the enthusiasm for a specific match.
And in that matter, I think the best thing would be to either show it completely or hide it so no party would no how the other party had played.
About ethics, I wish it wasn't that way but there will always be the wise guy who couldn't care less for anything other than what's written in the rules...

yaniv

i would say yes ;)

The transfer ad thread etc. ain't deleted after use, they just get closed. they are discussions about NT players, or sometimes even of expensiv players in the forum based on the skills, and they don't get startet every time from the user.

There's a problem:if in a strategical game we know all the movements of the adversaries,the importance of ability of the users will be reduced a lot,because it will be easy to make the right choices without taking any risk.Often,many teams coan play only with a specific kind of attack,at this point,you can show also the tactics...and there will be few possibilities for the wekaer teams to beat the stronger teams because it could be easy to check the last two or three game of the adversary to understand the level of entusiasm and playing with the right entusiassm(CT,Tie,normal)

You are neglecting the effort of manager who scout their opponents i.e. tactics, roster (some can even write down skills when there is a player on TL for later use),... and enthusiasm level. You are making the game simplier for no gain.

And in that matter, I think the best thing would be to either show it completely or hide it so no party would no how the other party had played.

It is hidden and you are still unsettled. You are searching for problem where isn't any.

It is hidden and you are still unsettled. You are searching for problem where isn't any.

I actually don't have any problem with the current level of visibility of enthusiasm.
My problem is managers who abuse it since if they are one of the playing teams they know exactly who played how, and can publish it in the Forums/BB-Mail/anywhere...
That's why I think that if it remains the same a rule against publishing it (and player skills) should exist. at least in the forums and bb-mail...