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130748.1
Date: 2/7/2010 4:21:09 AM
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One of the teams in my league is inactive for while now. All of his games are being forfeited with an official result of 25-0. Now, knowing that, I had only five (5) players filled for today's game (17918116) against him (this to rest my starters and get 48 minutes for my reserves in training positions), but on my big surprise, once the game was over, I found out that my players got credited for only 43 minutes of playing time?!

How is that possible? And what happened with those 25 minutes of playing time that my team is missing in total?

Can someone, please, explain this to me, and if this is in fact just a bug, can someone, please, look up into it and fix it? I want my training minutes back :/

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130748.2 in reply to 130748.1
Date: 2/7/2010 4:47:32 AM
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Its not a bug pretty sure its impossible to get players 48 minutes in a forfeit.

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130748.3 in reply to 130748.1
Date: 2/7/2010 7:47:01 AM
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i am not sure, but i would guess lucky fans got the minutes. did any play in your game?

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130748.4 in reply to 130748.3
Date: 2/7/2010 8:33:25 AM
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it was a walk over, so nobody play and nobody could get 48 min.

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130748.5 in reply to 130748.4
Date: 2/7/2010 8:39:06 AM
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than why did his 5 players get 43 minutes when noone could play? and what happened to the remaining 5 minutes per player?

Last edited by Astragoth at 2/7/2010 8:39:31 AM

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130748.6 in reply to 130748.5
Date: 2/7/2010 9:32:25 AM
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it is the method of the bb to avoid secure 48min, because else training get to easy without injuries and fouls, next time he had to lineup more players and no minutes disappear.

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130748.7 in reply to 130748.6
Date: 2/7/2010 5:02:58 PM
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it is the method of the bb to avoid secure 48min, because else training get to easy without injuries and fouls, next time he had to lineup more players and no minutes disappear.


Yes, but how many times you see a forfeit in the game?

It's not like that happens all the time, so one can say:"Oh, if we allow them to play only five(5) players in case of forfeit, then the training will become just too easy."
This is my FIRST case of forfeit in FIVE(5) seasons I'm playing the game, so please, don't tell me this is necessary.
I came with five(5) players; I was willing to play; my opponent didn't show up; they forfeit the game. That been said, I don't see a single reason why my players shouldn't receive a full credit for the game.

Another things that pisses me off in this matter is that the way things are right now, if I was to play a regular game, I would probably get all of my minutes :/ Now, tell me that makes more sense than giving people a full credit for the forfeit that happens only once in a while?

And another thing, if in the case of forfeit the game is NOT really taking the place, meaning the game is NOT actually being played, meaning NO player has been on the floor, than HOW can a game engine distribute those NEVER played minutes?

In this game(17918108) we see minutes being distributed one way and then, in this game(17918036) we see them being distributed a completely different way. And all that while NO actual game EVER took place nor any of those players EVER really stepped on the floor.
O.K. now you'll say, well, each of those managers assigned their players a certain way, so therefore each of them got different minutes, BUT may I remind you that I too, assigned my players a CERTAIN way and guess what(?) I'm missing minutes :/

And by the way, you didn't really explained what happened with those missing 25 minutes.

Edit: typo


Last edited by Mr. Hyde at 2/7/2010 5:15:53 PM

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130748.8 in reply to 130748.3
Date: 2/7/2010 5:10:10 PM
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i am not sure, but i would guess lucky fans got the minutes. did any play in your game?

Well, as far I understand the forfeit, no actual game is taking the place, so no lucky fan could possibly get any of those minutes.

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130748.9 in reply to 130748.8
Date: 2/7/2010 5:26:13 PM
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that is what i thought too. and normallywhen you field 10players and a game is forfeited, the minutes are equally divided between the starters and reserves, but as from what I remember I have seen, there are always 48 min per position.

when a coach doesnt know a team will forfeit, but decides he will only select 5 starters, than why do they only get 43 minutes??? what happens to the other 5 minutes per player. it is kind off unfair to loose training minutes due to another coach forgetting to line up his team...

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130748.10 in reply to 130748.7
Date: 2/8/2010 4:32:20 AM
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Yes, but how many times you see a forfeit in the game?

It's not like that happens all the time, so one can say:"Oh, if we allow them to play only five(5) players in case of forfeit, then the training will become just too easy."


to be honest, if it would the other way it could be intresting to play scrimmages against a forfeit team - and this don't have to be necessary cheating. Maybe a half active friend, who cares for your minutes isn't really good, but in my it was ok ;)

Or a short rooster who train Stamina/Free Throws, and play against friends to give him the easy and secure minutes. I only think this should be comminicate better.

So i think it makes sense, not for the rare random forfeits but for the arranges one who probadly would exist.

Another things that pisses me off in this matter is that the way things are right now, if I was to play a regular game, I would probably get all of my minutes :/ Now, tell me that makes more sense than giving people a full credit for the forfeit that happens only once in a while?


in a regular game, the chanche is there to loose a player through fouls or injury - so i won't say that you get 5* 48 minutes there maybe even your star isn't able to play for the next games :(

And another thing, if in the case of forfeit the game is NOT really taking the place, meaning the game is NOT actually being played, meaning NO player has been on the floor, than HOW can a game engine distribute those NEVER played minutes?


after a 36(Starter) + 10 (Backup) + 2 (Reserve) formula, where you can not combine starter and Backup without loosing minutes.

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130748.11 in reply to 130748.10
Date: 2/8/2010 10:04:46 PM
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Yes, but how many times you see a forfeit in the game?

It's not like that happens all the time, so one can say:"Oh, if we allow them to play only five(5) players in case of forfeit, then the training will become just too easy."


to be honest, if it would the other way it could be intresting to play scrimmages against a forfeit team - and this don't have to be necessary cheating. Maybe a half active friend, who cares for your minutes isn't really good, but in my it was ok ;)

Or a short rooster who train Stamina/Free Throws, and play against friends to give him the easy and secure minutes. I only think this should be comminicate better.

So i think it makes sense, not for the rare random forfeits but for the arranges one who probadly would exist.

O.K. let's not mix potatoes and tomatoes here. I'm talking about a league game, NOT a scrimmage. There is a HUGE difference between the two.

Another things that pisses me off in this matter is that the way things are right now, if I was to play a regular game, I would probably get all of my minutes :/ Now, tell me that makes more sense than giving people a full credit for the forfeit that happens only once in a while?


in a regular game, the chanche is there to loose a player through fouls or injury - so i won't say that you get 5* 48 minutes there maybe even your star isn't able to play for the next games :(

O.K. listen, if your goal here is just to contradict me, fine, but if you're here to actually help, then please, stop being so literal and try to actually understand WHAT and perhaps even more importantly, WHY I'm saying what I'm saying.

First of all, I'm well aware that players are more prone to getting injured or fouled out in situations where they are expected to play full 48 minutes per game, so please don't insult my intelligence by stating the obvious.

Second of all, you responded here as if I stated that all of my players would unconditionally receive those 48 minutes in regular game while in fact, I NEVER said such a thing. Note the words "the way things are right now" and "probably"?
Another things that pisses me off in this matter is that the way things are right now, if I was to play a regular game, I would probably get all of my minutes :/

Now, why did I say that(?) and why I STILL put so much emphasis on it(?) well, simply because despite all the obstacles, the way things are right now, it is still fairly easy to get those full 48 minutes per trainee per game. And please note this time that I said per trainee NOT per player meaning the emphasis is on TRAINEE and HIS minutes meaning it is completely irrelevant whether anyone else aside from him receives full credit for the game or not.

But all that aside, the REAL reason why I said what I said was really just to show you the whole ABSURD of your claim how this is in fact a
method of the bb to avoid secure 48min, because else training get to easy without injuries and fouls

And if you don't really understand how is that an absurd, well, lets do some basic math.

In a regular game we have an obstacle in injuries and fouls, right? Meaning it's highly unlikely that out of hundred games all hundred of them will end up with no player being injured or fouled out, right?
BUT, although THAT IS highly unlikely, don't you think there is STILL a fair 50% chance for all those players to receive their minutes? You disagree? O.K., lets scratch that; lets go into an extreme and say there is ONLY a 1% chance instead.
Now,THAT been said, don't you think that no matter how small 1% is that is STILL significantly bigger than 0% which we have in case of forfeit? And may I remind you that forfeits happen ONLY once in a while? See the absurd? Oh, whatever, why am I even trying :/