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Make shot blocking cheaper - tweak the salary formulas

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Date: 2/12/2010 12:51:43 PM
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My feeling is that salaries for inside players are getting a bit too out of control when compared to their guard counterparts. You only have four inside skills to train so players can get pretty far, pretty fast.

Taking away the fact that most people do not train outside skills on Cs (or PFs, for that matter), I personally think that the salary formulas place too much importance on shot blocking. I will not discuss whether or not shot blocking is useful, but for sure it is a secondary skill.

Anyhow, here are Joseph Ka's salary estimates, I will leave it to you to say if shot blocking is too important for inside players:

(46657.74)

(As an aside, is it not time to give a salary contribution to inside shot for SFs? I would shift some from rebounding to balance it out)

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Date: 2/12/2010 1:12:20 PM
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Date: 2/13/2010 3:34:20 PM
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I agree, too. The most expensive C in the world takes $ 400 000+ per week while the most expensive Guard takes $200 000 +. The Guards' Federation is complaining!!!

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Date: 2/15/2010 8:50:55 AM
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Yeah, I suspect it is guard trainers that keep giving the 1 ball ratings here. I guess they figured out that in order to lower the salary of Cs, the salaries of guards would have to increase to balance things out.

Anyhow, instead of giving 1 ball, why not make some constructive comments? I guess one-balling is just easier.

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Date: 2/15/2010 8:57:46 AM
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i just rate it, it was just one "vote" so thats isn't a movement and you alone could have raise it to 3 Balls(like i did)

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Date: 2/15/2010 8:58:54 AM
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i just rate it, it was just one "vote" so thats isn't a movement and you alone could have raise it to 3 Balls(like i did)


Someone else must have voted on yours. I rated yours and the other guy's at 5 balls a few minutes ago, it only brought it up to 2.5 balls. ;-)

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Date: 2/15/2010 9:29:59 AM
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Blocking is just the fourth multiplier in the inside skills, the effect isn't much more than the other inside skills. However I do agree, that all 4 skills should have a little bit less impact on the salary, to make the difference between in and outside smaller.

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Date: 2/15/2010 9:45:36 AM
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If you will train also outside skills, impact on salary will be different. As I see, worse thing what can happen is to train player with position marked as Centre. I think thats the point.

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Date: 2/15/2010 9:57:39 AM
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Blocking is just the fourth multiplier in the inside skills, the effect isn't much more than the other inside skills. However I do agree, that all 4 skills should have a little bit less impact on the salary, to make the difference between in and outside smaller.


the question is, if the multiplier is fair in comparision to the "power" of the skill if you nearly made any shot blocks you won't pay 40-50k for it, like you pay for skills who make a player actually stronger.

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the question is, if the multiplier is fair in comparision to the "power" of the skill if you nearly made any shot blocks you won't pay 40-50k for it, like you pay for skills who make a player actually stronger.


Some time ago BB-Charles said that Shotblocking is probably the most important defensive skill for a inside player, if you doubt that, than you are probably right. However if you are following BB-Charles point of view, than the multiplier should be about even to the other inside skills. A lot of people in the community think that training shotblocking or jumprange is expensive, simply because this is the last multiplier they train. If they train inside defence the last, I'm quite sure they would think the same about that skill.

But like I said before, salaries of inside players seem to be quite high comparing to their outside counterparts, that's why I think the multiplying effect of the inside skills are too high, and inside salaries should go down (and maybe outside should go a bit up)

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Date: 2/15/2010 10:10:43 AM
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Blocking is just the fourth multiplier in the inside skills, the effect isn't much more than the other inside skills.


No, but when the skills get higher it can have a significant impact.

If I remember tonight, I will try some different things. But if someone gets to it first, they can do some experiments with the salary calculator. Try different skill combinations with inept SB and then with prolific SB. Then see how it impacts higher level players (for example, a player with IS/ID/RB at 13, 15, 16, etc).

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