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Date: 5/27/2011 8:46:26 AM
Superhelden
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As part of a discussion in my league forum we were asking ourselves if the cup would be more fun if only players aged 23 or less would be allowed to play in cup matches....

what do u guys think?

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185967.2 in reply to 185967.1
Date: 5/27/2011 8:51:10 AM
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Bad idea for the real cup but maybe you have hit onto something. What if there was another match per week, a youth cup? Once you were out your were out but while you were in it you would have the opportunity to get some extra players trained for a few weeks. The cost is you would need a much bigger roster but it would be very exciting.

It would run at the same time as the normal cup but you would have two games at that time, your players could only play in one. Once out of the youth cup or the cup you would be back to one game and once out of both you would be back to just the weekly scrimmage.

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185967.3 in reply to 185967.1
Date: 5/27/2011 9:03:11 AM
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Well, it would be different and add one more thing to plan (worry about), but what would really be the rationale for the change? And what's the magic of 23? Is the idea to target players in active training?

Fielding only U23 players (with 3 over-23 players per team) is the current rule for football at the Summer Olympics. On that side the idea is to allow (top) professionals without competing with FIFA World Cup. In BB, this rule would allow teams better allocate their resources and chances between league and Cup, which is a positive thing in my opinion. On the other hand, the implication for B3 is that the average level of teams entering the tournament would drop. This is simply because I assume that top teams (of top leagues) would generally have a much tougher time winning the Cup.

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185967.4 in reply to 185967.3
Date: 5/27/2011 12:54:56 PM
Superhelden
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Thanks for the quick answer.

The reason for this proposal is that as the number of bots in the cup decreases after a few rounds the number of regular league matches that one team (mostly the away team) simply gives away with only some trainees playing (and sparing the minutes of the starters for the cup match) is increasing again.
Allowing only U23 (or 22 or 24, I dont mind) to play in the cup would (in most cases) mean that the regular starters of most teams could play the regular league matches.
In addition, the cup would become a completely new challenge where also teams from lower leagues have chances of making it to the later rounds.

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185967.5 in reply to 185967.4
Date: 5/27/2011 1:03:22 PM
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Allowing only U23 (or 22 or 24, I dont mind) to play in the cup would (in most cases) mean that the regular starters of most teams could play the regular league matches.


but what is with the backups, who need also playing time to stay in shape. Can i play my starters just in one match each week(and then still got bo good minutes for starter and backup) as a starter, or is it impossible to have backups older then 23/24 ...

In addition, the cup would become a completely new challenge where also teams from lower leagues have chances of making it to the later rounds.


that is probadly the case, because i could lineup a 3 men lineup which includes two minutes killer with my current roster. But is the winner then still the german/italian champion, or did it become a championship which said nothing about the club who win it(ok that he look at young player instead of keeping their stars, out of the training spots).

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185967.6 in reply to 185967.5
Date: 5/27/2011 5:10:47 PM
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Your first argument defineatly touches a point. It might be solved by having a weekly scrimmage independently of the cup.

The second point I see somewhat differently, because the 3+2 lineup that you describe probably would not have a chance to win the cup. Maybe the winner should not be promoted to BBB then.

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185967.7 in reply to 185967.6
Date: 5/28/2011 7:35:49 AM
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the second point, was a look at my team which had exactly 1 player below 24 who plays in the rotation and two other guys who are minute eating scrubs ;)

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185967.8 in reply to 185967.1
Date: 5/28/2011 10:12:58 AM
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Interesting idea but not a good one, most managers don't have 6-10 players who are U23. Also it would could lead to lower division teams(D.II, D.III, D.IV) winning the cup and getting killed in B3 the next season.
But your idea is very interesting. Maybe there should be some kind of youth(U23) cup or competition that takes place on Sunday. The games would have no impact on minutes or merchandise, fan survey,etc. It would be just for fun. It would encourage mangers to have more trainees and have younger guys on the team. Maybe there could be awards for winning, or being the runner up or getting to the quarter/semi final. Maybe free supporter or a certain amount of money.

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185967.9 in reply to 185967.8
Date: 5/29/2011 7:06:36 AM
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Actually I think you have hit the nail on the head right there. What if, for supporters only, there was a world youth cup that ran every Sunday in arcade mode? It would be the cup version of private leagues. It should have no real in game reward but perhaps some cosmetic rewards would be possible (naming a draft pick, 3 months free supporter etc).

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185967.10 in reply to 185967.1
Date: 5/31/2011 8:50:37 PM
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This is a great idea. This will help promote training.