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Normally I can explain poor subbing with fouls, injuries, or blowouts. In this situation, my player Madok Caka was subbed out after playing 37 minutes, and never put back in. He was my trainee, so this is very frustrating. At the time he was subbed out, my team was only up by 21, so it was not a blowout. I set Madok as starter, backup, and reserve for PF, and "strictly follow depth chart" and "let them play".Caka has respectable stamina, so that is not an issue either. He was not injured.

I find that even putting anyone in the Reserve slot never helps. I just make sure that I never field that will cause a player to sub in for my trainee. If I have one specific player I am training, then I make sure he is in the first two slots of that position. With the other four positions, I fill in the starters and a backup. Any extra players are left out of the lineup all together. In this example, I would only bring 9 players. If you have 3 extra players, regardless of the settings, the coach might consider giving them some playing time and rather than risk that situation, I field only what I need.

20 points usually brings up garbage time. After the timeout, the coach emptied the bench. If you wanted Caka to play the whole game you should have set him as starter backup and reserve. If you have two guys set to play the whole game but 4 subs, your coach has to make a choice which guy to pull. Also suiting up fewer guys would be a good idea as well.

In this example, I would only bring 9 players. If you have 3 extra players, regardless of the settings, the coach might consider giving them some playing time and rather than risk that situation, I field only what I need.

I did only set 9 players in the lineup, and used them all.

If you wanted Caka to play the whole game you should have set him as starter backup and reserve. If you have two guys set to play the whole game but 4 subs, your coach has to make a choice which guy to pull.

I did set Caka for starter, backup, and reserve. And since I told my coach to strictly follow the lineup, he should follow it. Nobody told the coach that he needed to sub in everyone at the same time.
My understanding is that there is a reason for the 4 choices under "substitutions". If I wanted the coach to decide, I would've chose "let coach decide" or "coach picks from depth chart" If I wanted to let him decide in the 4th, I would've chose "Depth Chart until 4th". Instead, I tell him to strictly follow the depth chart, and he subs out my player at the beginning of the 4th and never even puts him back in. I don't know what BB's definition of "strictly" is...

I know many other people feel the same way I do about BB coaches and their frustrating substitutions. If BB doesn't change anything, I guess I'll just remember to keep my lineup under 9 players next time...

In your original post you said you set madok as starter, sub, and reserve. So if you have four subs and two guys listed as starter, sub, and reserve (madok and caka) your coach has to make a decision on who to pull during garbage time.

What you don't understand apparently is that garbage time trumps all other decisions. Your coach isn't going to keep the starters on the court in a blowout no matter how badly you want him too.

I really doubt that the substitution patterns are going to change much. You will have to devise other strategies to get your players 48 minutes on the court.

I supose You didn't set substitute for SF. And only one player could play all match during garbage time because You had 4 backups.

Alright, correct me if I am wrong.

Looking at your game review, I noticed your substitution pattern went as follows as per your instruction.

Starters:
1. Bobrevicius { SG, $3961
2. Koszegi { PF, $3278
3. Brown { SG, $12932
4. Caka { SF, $3867
5. Wronikowski { PF, $3817

Backups
1. Yifang { C, $45007
2. Bujakiewicz { PF, $23,713
3.
4.
5. Filippa { PF, $18961

Positions listed above are suggested positions based on your roster. The 3 and 4 backup slots are blank to indicate you left the starters in those slots.

Your three backups listed above saw 2 minutes of action within the first quarter. By the second half, Filippa had 5 minutes, Yifang had 6 minutes, and Bujakiewicz had 5 minutes. Both starters, Brown and Caka, each had 24 minutes. By the 36th minute, each of the listed backups above had 8 minutes apiece. Only Yifang and Bujakiewicz were playing out of position. The one missing link is Daniel Talbot, your $14369 Shooting Guard. At the 37th minute (give or take), Talbot finally came into the game. My experience with this game has led me to believe that you failed to list Talbot as Brown's backup at the SF, something you probably wanted to do but your eye's deceived you.

Since Talbot had not been loaded as Brown's backup and your American League III.12 Rebels were blowing out the Canadian League IV.3 Hamilton Steelers, your coach, despite your wishes, felt that your 21 point lead over the severly overmatched Steelers of Hamilton needed some depth chart management. Since you left Talbot off the depth chart and yet he was suited up for the game, he had to make an executive decision.

Looking at the backups, Yifang and Bujakiewicz were definitely playing out of position but the question came down to who was playing the most out of position and which of the two would fit better into either the SF or PF position. The Coach at this point, because of your Rebels' 21-point advantage, has decided to make the executive decision to put the backups into the game and because Talbot fits the mold of a Guard, has decided to bump Yifang, the lanky 7'2" Center rather than the 6'10" Power Forward, Bujakiewicz. Brown is not necessarily playing out of position as he can play the 2 or 3, and Yifang can play either the 4 or 5 and since the backup at C is Filippa, also a player than can play the 4 or 5, the coach decided to bump Caka instead.

By the way, if I am wrong, then I have no answer. I would suggest going to any future game setup and choose the settings to use the same lineup as the matchup in question and you'll see for certain how you told the coach to manage Talbot's minutes.

Last edited by kaygdanimal at 6/17/2011 5:36:41 PM