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From: dmak
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Date: 3/22/2008 8:42:30 AM
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http://www.buzzerbeater.org/BBWeb/boxscore.aspx?MatchID=2...

Match Result
Final 1 2 3 4 1OT 2OT Total
Hongky Warriors 26 24 18 28 -842150547 0 125
Dream Rooney 19 24 27 26 -842150547 0 117

Other things I noticed strange is the outside shooting % and fouls.

The other team played 2-3 zone and I played run and gun. But my shooting % is worse then it was in the old engine. I understand that the other team's defense is also a factor, but his perimeter defense is only awful (medium) and my outside scoring is respectable (low). So I just want to know if the improvement of longer-range efficiency has been inplemented in the new system.

Fouls - I hope I am just unlucky but I have 4 players fouled out and one player on 5 fouls, and thats before OT. Is foul completely random?

Thanks.

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20276.2 in reply to 20276.1
Date: 3/22/2008 9:24:01 AM
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(Your match: (2574608))

The OT linescore display and fouls issues in your game seem like they need investigation.

I shot 15-32 from 3-point range playing Motion: average (medium) outside scoring vs. awful (high) outside defense in my game: (2175914) Seems reasonable. I think we need a lot more data points before passing judgment on the outside shooting engine changes.

From: Cerise

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20276.3 in reply to 20276.1
Date: 3/22/2008 9:48:42 AM
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http://www.buzzerbeater.org/BBWeb/boxscore.aspx?MatchID=2575267
Box Score for Game 2575267
Match Result
Final 1 2 3 4 1OT 2OT Total
Kowloon Bay SARS 14 22 28 28 -842150543 0 106
???? 25 16 28 23 -842150543 0 114


same thing with the scores of my match....

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20276.4 in reply to 20276.3
Date: 3/22/2008 10:33:16 AM
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huh I thought we had fixed the OT bug in the boxscore presentation.. i'll take another look at it.

I don't know what to say about the fouls, we really didn't change any of the fouling frequencies at least directly. I'll have to think about whether their might be some indirect effects. Are there more fouls at the end of the game? we did make the coach more aggressive in fouling at the end of close games, so maybe that is what is going on?

3 point shooting should DEFINITELY be better.

forrest

From: Wixix
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20276.6 in reply to 20276.5
Date: 3/22/2008 1:03:41 PM
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Some matches here in Czech Republic did not start, some did... can anyone from the staff look at it please?

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20276.7 in reply to 20276.4
Date: 3/22/2008 1:18:25 PM
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More stuff:

(2506293)

This game is refusing to end. I shot FTs with 0:00 left on the clock, then it said "End of period" and got stuck there. Maybe it will take a bit of time, but it still looks weird.

Also, starting at 46:03, there are some bizarre substitution patterns. My coach does subs in between free throws. Then after the free throws, he subs again to put the entire starting line-up in. This doesn't make any sense, and happened consistently over the last 2 minutes of the game.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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20276.8 in reply to 20276.7
Date: 3/22/2008 3:39:04 PM
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hmm....

so as far the substitution pattern, this isn't something we've seen a lot... i guess its technically legal and i think i know why. Basically if you are up and shooting FTs you want your best rebounders in, but if aren't (ie you just made your last FT) you want your overall best defensive team in. so you get fouled, the rebounders come in.. but the FT gets made so the starters come back in.

alternatively if you are down you want your rebounders in... and then you want your 3 point lineup.

as far as the game not ending.. for some reason there is a 3 minute lag before the game over signal was sent... not sure what that's about, but i'll track it down.

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20276.9 in reply to 20276.8
Date: 3/22/2008 4:10:43 PM
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What about the time played ?

There is not much substitutions now when you are using Strictly follow...
My players plays form 42 mn to 45 mn, and my opponant Had 3 players with 48mn..

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20276.10 in reply to 20276.8
Date: 3/22/2008 4:12:22 PM
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I think the change in the fouls system is too heavy.

I got a massive amount of 53 free trows this game (even though I was behind all the time, so no 10 fouls in the last 2 minutes).
My opponent got 32 FT's.
Half of the time they were shooting FT's lol.


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20276.11 in reply to 20276.8
Date: 3/22/2008 4:27:31 PM
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Thanks for the clarification. It is not that it is illegal, I just thought it was a bit bizarre.

In the particular case I am talking about (46:06), I was up 11 and the opposition was shooting free throws. When I got subs before free-throws, a PF with awful rebounding and was sent in, so it definitely wasn't the 'rebounding' unit.

Following your suggestions, the only reasonable explanation is that the coach was doing offense-defense subs, and fielded the high defense guys. However, I don't see how these are necessary when the team is shooting FTs. I guess one can assume this was a conservative approach in case the second FT is missed and the other team gets an offensive rebound, which isn't deprived of logic.

Oh, and while we're at the new changes: is there any reason why the middle column of team ratings in the new box score is so narrow it has to go on two lines? There is so much space to use horizontally, and this makes the page unnecessarily long.

This is a minor issue, but should be fairly straightforward to fix.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."