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1) The idea is to allow to add to an auction some draft picks as part of the personal bidding.

No one can argue that the all draft picks worth nothing to anyone on any divisions.
So, a value for draft-pick exists!

The value of draft picks should be calculated upon the current place that user posses, the division he is playing at (higher divisions uses less their draft picks, and has the same potential, so on draft picks form higher divisions should be counted as less).

An example:
Starting price - 1K.
User #1 set the bid to 10K.
User #2 to put 8K and a first round pick (which is calculated to be worth 4K).
User #1 needs to put a bid higher than 12K + minimum difference.

I would add the possibility that a user can define a whether he wants to have any draft picks as part of a deal, and maybe to limit the amount of draft pick on an auction bargain (amount per round?).
Of course another option may be to ask that any deal must include an amount of draft picks.

A) Users from high divisions uses less their draft-picks.
Hence, like any product that is worth less to the seller, it should have lower value in a bargain from the buyer POV.

b) The draft-pick value will be set upon team's place.
As the place will become more accurate (closer to the end of the season), the higher the value will become.

c) A more complex system will be to give the buyer value and the seller value a different value.
Meaning, a buyer trying to raise the bid with a draft pick will raise it upon how much it was calculated for him that a draft player is worth.
The new bid value will NOT change upon that value, but upon the seller draft-pick value.
User A put X in cash.
User B needs to put X*1.01, and uses his draft pick (worth to him A) in addition to Y in cash which summarizes into more than this X*1.01 value.
Now the new value that needs to be over bidded is NOT Y+A, but Y+B, where B is the value of a draft player from the seller POV.
The value of a draft pick may be something that a seller can set, but surely something that he is aware of when deciding to put a player to an auction and selecting to allow a single draft-pick as part of the bargain (for example).

2) Another semi-trade option will be to add scouting points.
Of course they will worth less than the price they had been bought.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 1/10/2012 5:27:44 PM

The value of draft picks should be calculated upon the current place that user posses, the division he is playing at (higher divisions uses less their draft picks, and has the same potential, so on draft picks form higher divisions should be counted as less).

lol ?

So the problem is when i have for your example, a draft opick of your team(worth 3Mio since you highly use them), i didn't know anything about your draft so it is useless for me. or did have someone out of my league(for exaple to you, worth 1k high league and so) sell his draft first so that i can use your draft pick in my league?

Also the place it hard to predict at the begin of the season, so just possible the last 3 games etc.

PS: i don't understand logic, and just to suggest for my own advantage.

So the problem is when i have for your example, a draft opick of your team(worth 3Mio since you highly use them), i didn't know anything about your draft so it is useless for me. or did have someone out of my league(for exaple to you, worth 1k high league and so) sell his draft first so that i can use your draft pick in my league?

Also the place it hard to predict at the begin of the season, so just possible the last 3 games etc.

1) It might be defined in a way that a pick from a different league will be worth less than from your own league.

2) Having a pick, even w/o any knowledge about that player, does worth money.

3) Some of the trades on the NBA are the same at the sense that the picks are even few seasons ahead.

4) As already written (and again needs to repeat), whoever DON'T like it, can define his auction to be W/O this option enabled.

PS: i don't understand logic, and just to suggest for my own advantage.

No need to say the obvious...

1. we prefer having transfer with teams you don't know, instead of encouraging them. Only when you use the whole market, you get good prices.

2. i don't think that a random drafted player has really a value, which would make it worthy to change the system.

3. with the differences that there are professiional who always act for their own, know the coming draft stocks and could predict the seasonal outcome to a certain stage. A computer formula here would be more complicated right?

4. but it would affect them if other sell, even when mostly for their own gain when the half league draft like bots. Also you had to bid against them. So it is not something you could easily exclude if you just against it. It is not when the BB implement a car racer, you can play during the half time break which brings just fun to thse who like it and doesn't impact the game itself.

5. if draft player have a higher value to a lower league team, then they should pay more for it - not getting them for less ;) So give the same product with the same price for everyone, which would be fair. Or would you say when you like to trade a banana for apple, that those two fine apples are worth less then the apple from the same quality another player offer you?

Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/6/2012 11:18:32 AM

1. we prefer having transfer with teams you don't know, instead of encouraging them. Only when you use the whole market, you get good prices.

I like it when you refer to yourself as "WE"...
As written, the user will have an option of not allowing a draft pick being part of a bidding.
It does not make the market smaller, but the other way around - one with less market has more to trade with.

2. i don't think that a random drafted player has really a value, which would make it worthy to change the system.

Let's say that there are 6 player worth 80K (when you just sell them) inside of a single draft.
This mean that a user W/O any knowledge (even not the first divisions upon "balls"), has 6/48 chance of getting those players.
This is one out of 8, or in other words or 12.5%.
Getting 12.5% chance for getting a 80K player means that giving a draft pick is worth 10K.
So, it is worth money. The only question is how much.
And again - YOU don't have to use it.

3. with the differences that there are professional who always act for their own, know the coming draft stocks and could predict the seasonal outcome to a certain stage. A computer formula here would be more complicated right?

Any formula can be formulated to a simpler form.
Example - do not allow at the first 6 games to use this option, and then consider current place as as if that was the place that team will finish.
A more complex one will give a lower price for a draft pick given earlier. The bidder can decide whether it worth the price or just offer money.

4. but it would affect them if other sell, even when mostly for their own gain when the half league draft like bots. Also you had to bid against them. So it is not something you could easily exclude if you just against it. It is not when the BB implement a car racer, you can play during the half time break which brings just fun to thse who like it and doesn't impact the game itself.(logical)

Don't understand this argument.

5. if draft player have a higher value to a lower league team, then they should pay more for it - not getting them for less ;) This was at least my logic say. So give the same product with the same price for everyone, which would be fair.

That was what I've wrote - higher league teams should get less for their bidded draft players.

From the seller POV, he may get an option to define the value of a draft player, but this is not a must.
It is not a must, because as already described before, a seller can define how many draft players he wants to be part of the bid, and by that he know what he will get.

Basically, we have here BUYER value and SELLER value. They can be different.
Say the current bid is X.
Now a bidder want to add a draft player, and he his informed that his draft player is worth A, and he add it to X "in cash".
BUT the bid is not (X+A) from the seller POV, which means that the next bid needs to be (X+B)*1.01, and not (X+A)*1.01 (for example).
In this example A will be A(1) for bidder from the first division and A(2) from one from one that is from division 2. B is what the seller defined to be the worth of a draft player to him (which is informed at the auction page).
And again - this is just a more complex solution. The simpler one defined above is enough.

Im amazed how you come up with these thing. Gotta say i dont really understand what good this would do for anyone.

It wouldn't do any.

I like it when you refer to yourself as "WE"...
As written, the user will have an option of not allowing a draft pick being part of a bidding.
It does not make the market smaller, but the other way around - one with less market has more to trade with.

with we i mean the gms, transfer get more completicated when there is an realation.

Don't understand this argument.

bad luck on your side, it affect you when traded draft pick draft blind even when you don't like the sell option. Ok is it on your benefit, but it still affect you.

That was what I've wrote - higher league teams should get less for their bidded draft players.

i returned your arguement, lower league had to pay more for raft picks, that not what you wrote. Your argument get curious, when you deny 2 draft üick of a higher league team beside a draft pick of lower league just because it is a draft pick of a higher league. Sorry that this don't go into your mind, just because i use only your logic.

[q}From the seller POV, he may get an option to define the value of a draft player, but this is not a must.[//q]

for you it standard that an apple of a div 1 is value less then the same apple from a div 3.

The idea is to allow to add to an auction some draft picks as part of the personal bidding.

I don't understand what this achieves from the game design point of view. Care to elaborate (on topic)?

The value of draft picks should be calculated upon the current place that user posses, the division he is playing at (higher divisions uses less their draft picks, and has the same potential, so on draft picks form higher divisions should be counted as less).

In all divisions across the BB universe every single draft pick is used. The worth of a draft pick depends on the expected finishing place of a team, the amount of scouting information available, and of course ultimately the quality of the draft class in that league. Some of these measures vary greatly during the season, while others remain constant although potentially unknown. Setting the value of the draft pick solely on the current draft order in bidder's league is a hilarious suggestion. A strong team can potentially maximize their draft pick's value at the beginning of the season. Any bidding team is also in a position to dump draft picks upon seeing an uncommonly weak draft class or after wasting their scouting on the wrong players. The selling team has no control, they would just need to accept whatever is coming. Unless the value of the draft pick is made super small (in which case what is the point for the bidding team?), the average seller will always lose on this deal since you want to give the control to the bidder.

Btw, who would actually do the picking? If it is the seller, where do they get the scouting information? Using their own points, or using a specific number of points allocated by the bidder, or perhaps directly the information they have gathered?

I wonder how complex this gets from the implementation point of view, when each team can have a draft pick in N different leagues (N being a huge number). They need access to the draft lists of each such league, assuming the selling party is indeed the one doing the picking. It should be rather straightforward to implement this suggestion if it is the bidder who does the picking. In that case the value of the pick is however very questionable for the seller.

Let's try again, I have patient...

On the simpler form of this suggestion, both sides know the price of a draft picks, and can decide whether they want to sell or buy one.
A draft pick given by a team from an higher league is worth less from the buyer POV, and hence in REAL negotiation he would have get less for that comparing to a buyer from a lower league.
This is the true life of a business-man.
Anyone that has no interest can understand that.

On the more complex form, it just make it more fair for the seller.
Again, the seller know what he may miss in the simpler form, but he may get less than on the more complex form of this suggestion.
On the complex form, the buyer that will add draft pick will be calculated as if he added X to the A he set in cash, and it will be verified that he passed the threshold of (Previous-Bid + Min-Diff-Between-Bids).
The current bid that is needed to be overbid will be calculated from the seller POV - meaning that now the draft-pick will carry his value for that player.

I've learned that When someone is eagerly trying not to understand, there is a reason to that.