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I am really sick of Look inside being the most effective tactics and want to try something else. OD is heavily trained, and inside offenses are probably the best weapon against that, but my theory is that most people don't bother try anything else because it's so easy to build a good LI team.
Motion has been really intriguing to me because you don't need that much JR as with Princeton and R&G, so opponent's OD doesn't crush you. Also DR seems to be important for Motion which OD doesn't stop well and it's the cheapest skill; furthermore, PA also seems the key in Motion and we know PA is undertrained.
So I'd like to analyze matches where one of the teams play Motion; not blowouts, but games with 15 point difference or less. I'll use Moutlinho's tool.
But since Motion is underplayed, it would take forever for me to search through a gazillion of teams and matches to find at least 10-15 appropriate matches (and I'd need more), so I'm turning to BB community; can please anyone who is playing Motion or knows of a team that plays Motion post the links of it here? It can be the link to one of more games, or link to a team. Of course I will share the findings in this thread.

Last edited by Koperboy at 2/13/2012 5:05:11 AM

With this analysis I want to research the offensive choices players make and what are those choices based on. First I will reveal my theory and try to confirm it by results of analysis.

Theory:

First, GE selects a player for an action. Then that player does something based on tactics, his skills and the player guarding him.

So, GE choice is based on:
- Matchup
- Level of Driving

Then, player's choice is based on:

- Which offensive skill is prevalent (JS, JR, PA, DR, IS)
- Which defensive skill of player, guarding him, is weaker (OD or ID)

Work method:

I select a team. Then I look at team's games from Season 18. I'm looking for games that are not blowouts in either direction and have the same starting five (exceptions are valid, but only on PF/C spot). I take five games from each team as a minimum. If I can't find at least five games with those conditions, I don't use that team as a part of research.

I want to see how many shots are taken on each position, what kind of shots and % of those for each position. When I will find a number out of ordinary (for example, PF taking the most shots), I will look closer at that game and try to find a reason.

Then I'll compare different teams and their results and try to explain why those differences exist. I will try to get the skills of starting five players from each team, participating in research; this will help me a lot in understanding players' offensive choices for Motion.

I'm relying on »play-by-play« text. I'm using Moutlinho's tool, section »Favourites«. I'm grouping offensive skills in these categories:

3-pointers (3P from Straight-on, 3P from the corner, 3P from the Wing, Long three pointer)

Midrange shots (Fade away/Hook shot, Jumper from the Baseline, Jumper from the Foul line, Jumper from the top of the key, Jumper from the Wing)

Inside shots (Dunk, Tip-In, Tough inside shot)

Layups (Driving Layup, Layup)

Passes (not assists, but attempted passes)

The reason I removed Layups from Inside shots is layup is based on Driving skill, while Inside shots are based on, well...Inside shot.
I will try to find at least five games, adequate for the analysis, from these teams:

Team  link                           Analysis link
RaKba                   (172496)     Part 1: (210204.108) and part 2: (210204.109)
Starcrow Trail Blazers  (173499)     (210204.122)
Njords Hakarl           (30777)
A.Gradiente             (45318)
Wolf Dogs               (28477)
Silverbacks             (23223)
New York Chunks         (23228)
Roxas City Red Claws    (28540)
Leek&Bokk               (50303)
aristotele              (27141)
cipolla                 (45791)
Le Cotiche              (36744)
Tanqueray Lemon         (46059)
KJP team                (47664)
The Buzzerbeater Team   (196813)
Cebu Lakers             (190195)
Blackwolves             (34266)
Little white people     (101336)
Moff state Squizzes     (30462)
HMS Seawolves           (31015)
PRO Tambays             (54492)
Macabi Haase            (38036)
Bisamberg Torpedos      (41888)
Najdobrite              (52344)
Sheffield Arrows        (91437)
boschetarii             (91120)
cska plovdiv            (45065)

Last edited by Koperboy at 3/19/2012 9:08:06 AM

I know one.. but You should know that team too..
remedial kings (55014)

I tend to play motion as my outside offence but i haven't used it yet this season, but you can look at my games from last season if you need them

Right, I should know about him He's a good start, I'll post "findings" later in the week. Thanks!

great, will do, thanks!

u thinkin...puuhhhh thats bad for my team, they MUST change it or i didnt breath till i bla bla bla......

...what u really must startin to think is..how ca i adapt the system!!

if u do that u didnt troll to x threads anymore to tellin everyone that some tactics r more evil as other ones ( needless to write that u didnt show in the past with ur team that u r in a postion to talkin down to every user )

btw: if u wanna spend 1 million BB dollar and u get two worldclass bigs OR one half worldclass guard for ur money..what tactic did u choice ?? :PPPPPPP


Cheers

Last edited by WillFreeman at 2/13/2012 7:28:13 AM

This team plays a lot of motion:
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/91120/overview.aspx

Last edited by Mzungu77 at 2/13/2012 7:32:05 AM

What exactly does your reply have to do with this thread? Troll? What the f, man? You mean trolling - the exact you are doing now? You have problems dude. You are doing the same with BC Hostivar. Do you think your opinion is the opinion of general BB community who comes to forums? If you have a problem with me, why do you bother reading my posts and replying?
Please don't reply to my messages ever again - not just in this thread, but anywhere in the forums. If I see any more off-topic replies in this thread, I will delete them.

Last edited by Koperboy at 2/13/2012 7:37:24 AM

Thanks Mzungu, I appreciate it!