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I've done a new (very short) research;
Here is the result.
The data is for current season (19).
Those four BB-nations have the size of ~12,500, which is a quarter of all BB-community.
I've run this check also on season 17, and the data had not changed too much, which proves that there is a case here.

France - Not a single new team at their frist division (new team => not a single team who had joined later than season 4).
Spain - The same answer is true here as well.

Italy - A single team who had joined the game at season-11. They are about to be relegated after a single season on first division.
Germany - Same story. A single team who had joined the game "just now" (at season-5...). They are about to be relegated after a single season at the first division.

So now we can look at how those two teams had the ability to penetrate to the first division (and to be on their way to be relegated after a single season...). What have they done, and what is hence suggested for new teams (those that had not joined later than season-4) in order of succeeding in this game.

"The answer";
What I've found out, is that they have both done pretty much the same!!!
1) They had (both) stayed at the lowest league (those that there is no realy competition).
2) They used that "great competitiveness", to add great draft players (as there was no contest with those BOT teams), to invest at the arena, etc.
3) They have sold those players, getting great moeny (that for me seems a little bit weired, but it is not really the point here), and with that money plowed their way fast to theor BB-nation's first division.
4) I did not verified what have happened to the teams that they had replaced. Whether they had the same story, whether they left the game, whether they tanked "too well" or something else.

To summarise, to get to the first division one needs to be not competitive for few seasons, get lucky drafting great players, selling them for huge amount of money, and then you will be able to penetrate that first division.
Of course, as it seems, this suggestion is only good for being there for single season.

Now it is your turn to write - what have you done to get to the first division, in order of assisting those new teams (season-5 team is apparently a new team...).
Another option - go to the suggestion forum and discuss what should be changed in order of making this game a more competitive one.

All this information is not supprising;
Each season teams are EARNING money, and not losing money. Otherwise, teams are expected to be worse from one season to the next, and this is just ridiculus.
The only rare cases is when one team make a run for a title.
But this is true for any team who tries to get to a higher division...
So it is not supprising that "Earning money" multiplied by "more seasons playing the game" leads to the case shown above, where only old team are actually those who really can compete.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 4/26/2012 5:02:55 PM

You're still wrong. In season 17 in Spain, there were two teams with season 6 starts in their top league. Of the leagues with greater than 1000 users (as of 4/11/12), for season 17, this is what *I* found:

Italia (4341) - nobody later than season 4
France (2942) - nobody later than season 4.

That's two.

As far as the other 1000+ user countries, including Spain which you again misstate (and I stopped looking in each of these once I found a 7+) :
Germany (1007) - One team from season 5
Spain (4201) - Two teams from season 6
USA (3090) - one from season 7
Argentina (1048) - season 7
Brasil (1058) - season 7
china (1384) - season 7
Eesti (1091) - season 11
Hellas (1970) season 7
Israel (1033) - three teams from season 6
Lietuva (2396) season 7
Magyarorszag (1209) - three teams from season 6
Polska (3468) - season 7
Portugal (1230) - season 7
Srbjia (1173) - season 11
Turkey (2763) - Season 10

The nations who had a team from season 6 or later in their top league in only season 17 is 27114, which is more than half of the userbase.

In other words, even using your silly "Season 17" method of dicing the stats, 15 of the 17 largest nations had teams from season 5+, 14 of 17 from 6+, and 12 of 17 had managers from season 7+ in the top league in their country.

Why you presume to speak on behalf of the majority of new users with data that is really isolated to two specific nations (or three, if you want to include Germany) and ignore the actual statistical majority is beyond me, but I'd better get this finished before your post disappears.

Oh, now you're using season 19. Right. Well, in that case, you're arguing the game is flawed because of some, what, four nations who combine to 12.5k, ignoring the other thirteen who combine to almost 23k. Again, it appears that in big nations by count or by total users, the alleged problem is apparently no problem for 3/4 of the large countries in the game, and perhaps your examples are more likely related to the individual nations than a systemic problem in the game.

Where have I wrong?
The current data is on season 19.
On season 17, it may be Italy and France, or Spain and Italy. The same facts stands.

Regarding all this missleading data you've brought.
1) How does your "data" explains how those 25% of BB-nation community has that competitiveness probelm, as proven?

2) What had happened on each of those BB-nations you've brought? How does those teams penetrated the first division?
Giving their name, does not proves anything.
The same story as I've brought for Germany and Italy could be the case there.

You could have also written about Germany and Italy (season 19) in order of misleading the readers. You could have wrote something like this:
"Germany and Italy had a (single) older team ('I only checked until I've found a single one'). Here is a proof".
As I proved in my starting message - they are far for proving the case wrong. Just the opposite.

The same is for all the other BB-nations, but I'm not going to continue and examin each one of them.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 4/26/2012 5:05:44 PM

I corrected that in post 3.

So still, using hybrids of season 17 and 19, there were six instances out of 34 possible where your alleged game-breaking problem occurs. And they were in the same countries for the most part. It's working in the USA. It's working in Turkey. It's working in Polska. It's working almost everywhere up and down the line, except for your very few, very specific examples. That's hardly the symptom of a systemic game problem.

But, of course, arguing based on facts and logic and reasonable conclusions with you is like explaining proper free throw form to Shaq. It's an attempt to be helpful, to show you something that might actually sink in and improve your experiences, but in the end we both know you're not going to put any effort into believing anything but whatever fits your explanation as to why "users" (read: you) run into impassable walls. Good luck with that.