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From: Kukoc

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215399.2 in reply to 215399.1
Date: 5/1/2012 3:59:18 AM
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When a team plays LI they get a RB boost
Now where is that fact coming from? Just because you take more shots inside, does not mean you rebound more.

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Date: 5/1/2012 5:23:42 AM
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oh but you do. Didn't you know? Tons of Orebs in LI, tons.
Don't know if it is true or not, but it is sure an expected behavior. The more team-mates you have near (and going to) the rim, the more chance you have they will catch one.

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Date: 5/1/2012 9:25:07 AM
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I'm not sure about what i am about to write (in contradiction to the competitiveness issue, where I am sure at), but this is at least what I would expect to happen;

1) In look inside, the players are going to the rim, and hence more close to the rebound. Resulting more chance to get the rebound [that I've already wrote].

2) Game-shape and of course any training your players had (due to cross-training) is expected to affect that as well.

3) Regarding home-court VS playing at "Away", I would not expect any difference at that, but I'm not sure if that is true here...

4) How much time each player had played (backup issue), is also something to consider.

But what is the most important here (saw only after writing the lines above) is that the players are not the same on those two matches, so I'm not sure what one can conclude w/o knowing their exact skills.

From: Kukoc

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Date: 5/1/2012 3:51:43 PM
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I just love your in depth analyses. If we even ignore the fact that both of you had different lineups in those games. The key being his SF spot, where he used a big man in the first match and a guard in the second match. There is home court, entusiasm, game shape, pr-managers, foul trouble, garbage minutes etc you conveniently leave out.
The same way we can say, if you play outside offence, your players are further away from the basket. Long range shots tend to bounce off the rim more hecticly, thus giving you an edge in rebounding.
By your theory, LI should also boost reb against PTB, normal attack, patient etc.
Example from my team (45587377) + he also had a PF at SG spot, so should they not get even more rebounds? This is hardly the case. There are a lot of matches where I get outrebounded on the offencive boards playing LI agains normal offences, hell even against outside iso offence.

From: Kukoc

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215399.10 in reply to 215399.9
Date: 5/6/2012 7:31:37 PM
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It's not about who has the best 1-3 games picked out. We all know that 3 games is piss, when there are 219439 games simulated in a week.

MO (O) vs LI (M)
7/16,40/55,6'3/8'3
PTB (O) vs LI (M)
14/13,36/54,7'2/9'1
LI (O) vs MO (M)
12/16,48/55,8'3/7'3
MO (O) vs LP (M)
7/15,39/57,7'3/9'1
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LI (M) vs PTB (O)
12/15,49/42,7'2/6'3 M more in game
LI (M) vs Patient (O)
14/12,52/32,8'3/7'1 M more in game
LI (M) vs MO (O)
10/11,44/39,8'1/5'3 M less in game
LI (M) vs NA (O)
13/16,37/42,8'2/7'3
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LP (O) vs Patient (M)
14/12,47/42,7'1/7'1
MO (O) vs LI (M)
7/12,42/61,6'3/8'3
MO (O) vs LI (M)
4/17,43/51,7'2/8'2
PTB (O) vs LI (M)
8/19,37/59,6'1/8'1
OI (O) vs LI (M)
11/12,37/47,6'3/8'1
OI (O) vs LI (M)
14/13,41/42,6'3/8'3
NA (O) vs LI (M)
15/10,42/43,7'2/8'3

M is my team, O is opponent. First chapter hc, second away, third neutral. Offencive reb, total reb, reb rating. I chose all my competitive games this season (which did not involve playing the same offence, or boost to rebounds def tactic). You stated that LI boosts offencive rebounding. Can't really say I outrebound teams on the offencive board, if I play LI. Nomatter what the opponent plays. I even play motion against LI, still I do not lose the offencive board battle. I do outrebound few teams in private league badly on offencive boards, but they kind of lose the overall rebounding badly aswell. Perhaps it's more about how teams are built that run outside attacks. Playing a SG at SF spot instead of a PF, makes you lose on the boards.
I can list you 2 games between 2 teams. (42956794), (42956914). Similar lineups in both games, same team putting more effort into games. Huge rebound difference versus home and away game. I thought that if LI does not boost offencive rebounds, perhaps motion lowers the offencive rebound chance, but those games and my motion game kinda kill that idea aswell.
If someone would create a PL just for the purpose of testing your theory, it can't be a hectic trader small country team. Those teams would have to run the same lineup for a few seasons over and over again.

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/7/2012 7:15:54 AM