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218304.1
Date: 5/21/2012 8:30:31 PM
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Do the coach levels have sublevels? I had a level 4 coach last season. During 12 skill 2-pos training weeks my 18 and 19 yo trainees got just two pops in the skills they were trained. I know it's 2-pos, but 2 pops in 12 weeks, c'mon!
Does anyone have experience doing 2-pos with higher level coaches? They say 2-pos training gets just 70%, but I suspect it's even slower.
Can anyone tell how much faster level 5, 6 coaches are, please!
Do the prices of level 5+ coaches ever go down? it's crazy. 5000000 for level 7!! What are you gonna do? 5 mil. can fetch you a better player you'll ever be able to train up!
Thank you for help!

From: RSX

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218304.2 in reply to 218304.1
Date: 5/21/2012 8:50:03 PM
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If you are serious about training then coach level 5 is minimum, else it's a waste of time. Level 7 are used mostly to create best players for NT (there's a prospect in Poland that already has a chance to play in U21 NT, being only 20 year old). And last, while 12 weeks for 2 pops is a bit too long you might be missing few points. Your coach sucks, the skills you are training might be way higher then correlated one, potential cap? missed minutes? 2pos training takes longer, and cross training lengthened it even more.

From: thylacine

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218304.3 in reply to 218304.2
Date: 5/21/2012 9:26:28 PM
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18, 19 yo. the skills I'm training cannot be much higher than the rest and they're not. They got the minutes apart from one time. Cap? It's not like anyone would train announcers. The coach obviously sucked, and that's what I'm asking, is level 4 = level 4.0? or can there be 3.6, 4.4?
I'm so frustrated. Did cross training lengthen 2pos training more than proportionally?
Thanks!
I appreciate if someone knows percentages: 2pos vs 1pos, level 4 vs level 5 vs level 6.

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218304.4 in reply to 218304.2
Date: 5/21/2012 9:36:41 PM
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I wouldn't say that a level 4 trainer is a waste of time
I bought a 19 year old perrenial all star PG at 19 yrs old
I will cap him as a multi skilled PG this season at age 24
that includes big man training even though he's short,
this week was his first with a level 5 trainer
all else with level 4

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218304.5 in reply to 218304.4
Date: 5/21/2012 9:45:34 PM
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That's very inspiring! Did you 1pos train him when you could? I'm having a hard time capping stars with such training progress..

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218304.6 in reply to 218304.3
Date: 5/21/2012 10:13:14 PM
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Are you serious with those sublevels? You pay for what you see, otherwise imagine paying 1mln more for marginally better coach. No sense.

And are you aware how hard it is to calculate differences between trainings and coaches? Age, height, correlated skills, coach level and assuming you got 48 minutes. Moreover it seems like every new player is born with sublevels. To make an approximate percentages you'd need 2 teams with exactly same players and coach, but then still players have sublevels.

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218304.7 in reply to 218304.6
Date: 5/21/2012 10:29:07 PM
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You can measure the distance or even distances between pops, thus negating sublevel factor. And you hear numbers being thrown out there like 2pos = 1pos x 0,7, level 6 is 5% better than level 4, but I guess you're right those numbers are hard to believe. So on what basis are people willing to spend a mil. on level 6 coach? is it just wishful thinking? I guess I'm not satisfied with level 4, and you still have to pay 500k+ for level 5, so I want to try level 6, but if it IS only 5% better, my team will start improving at FTs instead.

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218304.8 in reply to 218304.5
Date: 5/21/2012 10:33:10 PM
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Bar none, the best data about training comes from the crowdsourcing project described here:

(203921.1)

Join up and you'll be able to see the data and analysis. There's analysis of height effects, age effects, trainer level effects.

just 2 pops in a skill does seem a tad slow, even with two position training. But maybe if you have unlucky starting sublevels, and you're doing something like pressure training on non-ideal height trainees, it might happen. Really it's hard to answer your question without more info. Also, if you're doing two position training but only wondering about two of your trainees, does that mean that the other guys who got training did well?

As far as trainer levels, I do think level 4 trainers get the job done for most trainees pretty well (and perhaps most cost effectively). I use a level 5 trainer, and have been happy with the slight boost in training speed. But now is a bad time in the season to get a new trainer. Wait until the middle of the season, and the prices will come down. I think I got my level 5 trainer with ~27K salary for 50K.

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218304.9 in reply to 218304.8
Date: 5/21/2012 10:45:41 PM
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Thanks! It's encouraging. 27k is a bit much but certainly cheaper than paying 700k for 17k salary. I didn't mention other trainees, cause they're at least 21 and maybe even close to cap, and they got 1,1 and 3 pops. I trained pressure, IS and PA. 18yo is 6'5, 19yo is 6'7.
I'll have a look at that thread, thank you!

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218304.10 in reply to 218304.9
Date: 5/21/2012 11:47:08 PM
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I think alot of people, especially new players, put to much emphasis on trainers. They will spend around 20000k a week plus the signing cost, for trainees that are not very good. I have only got trainees that have star - allstar potential (even a starter actually) And at first I had an advanced and then realized I was paying out the noise for him. Then I bought a basic with career extension ability, and he does great for me and it only cost 2000 to sign him. I was training pressure and would get 1 OD pop out of each of them every 2-3 weeks. Not bad for a basic!

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218304.11 in reply to 218304.5
Date: 5/22/2012 3:12:19 AM
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It sounds as if you used 2 position training.
When it comes to skills like PA-JR & OD, it will slow things to a crawl.
Important trainees need the 1 pos training.
If that were the case, guaranteed you would have received at least 1 more pop per player.