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21839.1
Date: 3/30/2008 3:08:44 AM
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Hi,

This is my third season in BB, and played successfully with Run and Gun and Push the Ball for the past season.
I wondered if there are specific skills needed for playing other tactics successfully?
I would mostly interested to know about Low-Post, Motion, Princeton and Patient...

thanks,

yaniv

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21839.2 in reply to 21839.1
Date: 3/30/2008 4:00:11 AM
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This is my first season, what are your thoughts about the needed skills to play run and gun and push the ball succesfully?

And maybe a stupid question, but when should i play fast or slow? I do know that when i am the better team, i can better play fast so my oppopent has less chance to keep up with me. And to play fast i need some stamina. But are there also other details i should keep in mind before i make a decision to play fast or slow?

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21839.3 in reply to 21839.2
Date: 3/30/2008 4:24:33 AM
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I've started playing Run and Gun and Push the Ball after someone has told me that they are good tactics for teams with a low Offensive Flow and fair shooters (especially Run and Gun), since my PG wasn't so good at that time.
Now that I have a very good PG, I wondered if I can play other skills.
By the way,
regarding stamina, I have two good players at any position, so I don't mind playing fast as most players on my team never gets more than 25-28 minutes per game

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21839.4 in reply to 21839.3
Date: 3/30/2008 4:29:10 AM
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So are you saying when the offensive flow is ok, or better than your oppontent, its not a bad idear to play a slow style? Because you should use the good quality of the shots?

could you take a look at my last game? You think i should play a slow style?

Last edited by Maupster at 3/30/2008 4:30:44 AM

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21839.5 in reply to 21839.4
Date: 3/30/2008 4:33:29 AM
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That's why I opened this thread - I'm not sure...
I believe the team must have a fair offensive flow in order to play slow effectively (otherwise 90% of your shots would be on the 24 seconds buzzer), but I'm not sure it's enough. I'm also not sure what level of Offensive flow would be sufficient to play slow.

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21839.6 in reply to 21839.1
Date: 3/30/2008 7:17:27 AM
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Concerning low-post my personal opinion is:
- quite good offensive flow (or you get plenty of turnovers and won't get better shots)
- good passing of outside players
- reasonable jumper of inside players

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21839.7 in reply to 21839.6
Date: 3/30/2008 8:16:34 AM
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thanks,
Very interesting observation. How can you tell that the JS for inside players makes a difference in this tactic? Does it mean it involves more half range jumpers?

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21839.8 in reply to 21839.7
Date: 3/30/2008 9:12:31 AM
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well, I normally play inside offensive tactics and my observations come from comparing look inside and low-post. I have no clue about the shot distribution of inside players when playing motion or run&gun.

This said, yes, as you say I think low post involves more half range jumpers. And not only for inside players. A great C with no jumper will perform better with look inside. A guard with poor driving/inside shot will perform better with low post.

This is just my experience. Maybe roosters with different combination of players skills apply the same tactic in a different ways :)

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21839.9 in reply to 21839.8
Date: 3/30/2008 9:20:33 AM
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Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.
I hope to get such great points of view on the other tactics.

yaniv

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21839.10 in reply to 21839.8
Date: 4/2/2008 2:11:15 AM
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Well,

Tried playing low-post. (2422025)
Went pretty bad... only 11 assists, bad FGP.
Maybe the opponents FCP ruined it.


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21839.11 in reply to 21839.10
Date: 4/2/2008 5:00:06 AM
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Well, it was a tight game, but I would not blame low-post too much.

- FCP is more effective with slow tactics (15 TO seem reasonable).
- Your assists only came from 3 players (try to answer why).
- Your opponent made 10-17 3FG (2-3 defense has not paid).
- Poor FT for you, only 13-28.

Still, 37-81 2FG with average high vs inept medium... have you noticed at what seconds where your players taking most of the shots? If they were often taken in the last 2 seconds the shots are probably low probability and low-post did not pay off.

Hope this help :)