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Date: 06/08/2012 15:38:07
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I have a hard time understanding relativity of skills under different game shapes and I wanted to see if anyone can enlighten me and probably some others as well.

Say we have two players:

Player A: All skills on respectable except for OD and PA which are at Prominent (10), Respectable game shape, DMI: 50.000

Player B: All skills on respectable, Proficient Game shape, DMI: 50.000

Same DMI, different skills.

Questions:

1. Does this mean Player B will defend and pass on same level as Player A?

2. Does this mean Player A will defend and pass on same level as player B, but do all other things worse (rebound, shoot...)?

If you had to choose one of those players for SF spot, which one would you choose?

Last edited by Koperboy at 06/08/2012 15:40:13
Poll:  A is better than B, but they have same DMI. Which one do you choose to play?
Response Votes Result
Player A 24
48.0% 48.0% 48.0%
48.0%
Player B 9
18.0% 18.0% 18.0%
18.0%
I buy a better player 17
34.0% 34.0% 34.0%
34.0%
This poll ended on 06/08/2013.

From: Koperboy

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Date: 06/08/2012 16:05:58
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DMI is intentionally designed to massively exaggerate the effect of game shape. So in general, equal DMI doesn't mean equal performance in any respect.


No, of course not. But since Player's A two skills at Prominent take bigger share of his DMI than rest of his skills, we can say that compared to Player B, Player's A relative skills look like this:

6, 6
8, 6
6, 8
6, 6
6, 6

This is an educated guess of course. But if it was true, I would probably pick Player B.

3) As for your last question: I find it to be completely dependent on the circumstances, opponents' tactics, tendendencies (e.g. what do they play at SF? more important to protect the perimeter or to protect the paint and rebound?)


To exclude those circumstances, let's say both teams are the same on PG, SG, PF and C spot with same GS, playing Base offense both. Opposing SF is Respectable on every skill.

From: shikago

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Date: 06/08/2012 20:28:39
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2) on this basis I am tempted to say that player A would defend and pass better than player A, but do all other things worse. This is not one of your question, but I think it's about right.

I am tempted to say that player A would defend and pass equal to player A, and do all other things equal too.

From: shikago

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Date: 06/08/2012 23:53:13
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that takes the fun out of typos.... (sad face)

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Date: 06/09/2012 05:03:38
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I guess in your specific example Player B could be *slightly* better. Since playing at SF & using base offense is a rare case where all skills might be equally important. (I need to give it some more thought first). There won't be that huge a difference in performance though. It' not going to win or lose a game for you.

But were your example about PG and playing look inside... Player A is looking like the better choice. Same for a similar example at center (replace PA & OD with Rebounding & ID)

No, of course not. But since Player's A two skills at Prominent take bigger share of his DMI than rest of his skills, we can say that compared to Player B, Player's A relative skills look like this:

6, 6
8, 6
6, 8
6, 6
6, 6

But player A's game shape isn't horrible (it's respectable), so it's more that player B would be getting a performance boost rather than player A getting a penalty. Perhaps player B now has all skills close to 8? While player A has has all 7s except the 10s in PA & OD.

From: CoachSK

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Date: 06/10/2012 11:29:00
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But player A's game shape isn't horrible (it's respectable), so it's more that player B would be getting a performance boost rather than player A getting a penalty. Perhaps player B now has all skills close to 8? While player A has has all 7s except the 10s in PA & OD.

Agreed.

And If your playing Base Offense against Base Offense and these guys were SF's. I would go with Player B, because he will be the better all around player, which is needed for Base Offense.