BuzzerBeater Forums

hey Wolph, gerat logic i like it. However i think you have over-thought it a bit! Too complicated for the BB developers to extend the game like that. no offense to any BB developers that may be reading!

IMO, some fast breaks already occur in the game, they are just not that well 'displayed' in the game log.

I also believe that some of the offensive options with the vulnerability/probability options that you describe already exist, maybe just not how you have described them. eg: RnG - statistically, shots are taken early on in shot clock time. they aren't really displayed as 'fast breaks' though in the GE log, so if they do already exist, maybe it just needs a small tweak to the game log to include a simple statement 'Player X gets on a fast break, dunks it home!"

Id say there are two things missing and these kinda overlap with what you were saying:
1) More offensive options that obviously utilise fast breaks (cmon, it can't just be RnG) . Lets face it, when you watch an NBA game, where the team runs a half court offense, number of fast break points is very very minimal. But it would be nice to know that by running a 'faster paced' offense resutls in more fast breaks - BUT also as you have stated, there is increased risk in running faster offenses, and ideally, it would be nice to know that this is the fact. (ie: Maybe update game manual - when running RnG you will have a faster paced offense, however this will use more stamina/may ersult in more mis-handling of the ball etc etc). So if this was the case with say, LI, then it would be nice to know that you are going to be running more fast breaks, than compared to Low post.

2) fast breaks off of steals - Agree with you here wolph - You do occassionaly see a 'ball stolen' then 2 seconds later 'shot taken', but usually its when there is little time left on the clock and its a close game. Id like to see more fast breaks off of steals... If the PG steals the ball then he is on a fast break against the other PG 90% of the time. so yer, would like to see this.

as i said, i like your logic and idea's, but I reckon you have over-thought it a bit! Keep it simple! small extensions of the existing engine. do it do it do it!

When you get a def. RB, then a lay-up at the other end by the same player in 1 sec., it is NOT a fast break, it's ridiculousness.
I think it's hard to introduce FBs without some sort of an athletic skill.
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/forum/read.aspx?thread=178282&m=1

really? i swear i looked at this a couple of seasons ago.. has it changed recently?

ok ill ook at another game again now

in most recent game there were 4 "ball stolen' comments.
2 resulted in buckets 5 seconds after the steal
the other 2 resulted in turn overs

that was for BOTH teams. the other team had no comments to this affect, but he did have 8 steals, so.i also serched for "threw the ball away"

3 instances of threw the ball away - only one had a resultant shot after 5 seconds, the other 2 had subs, which suggests out of bounds.

"Intercepted a pass" is another comment which could result in fast break - there were quite a few of these, which balanced the books for steal statistics.... but only 4 resulted in fast break attempts (less than 10 seconds is what i counted, most were after 5 seconds).

so basically for an entire game, 4 plus 1 plus 4 = 9 fast break attempts off of steals, from both teams, total. (did i miss something?) maybe only 7 if u exclude those turnovers.

yerrrrrrrrrrrrr, its borderline...a recent NBA game had 28 points off of fast breaks, with one team only getting 4.... so if u took away fast breaks from rebounds, then MAYBE this number coming out of BB is acceptable.

so at this stage maybe all that really would need to happen is slightly better wording on the shot that occurs afterwards - because at the moment it still sounds like the player on the fast break isnt on a fast break
eg: "Quick drop-step move leads to a two-handed dunk by Player X off of a nice pass from Player Y. Scored."

hows that sound? :)