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From: jonte
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Date: 5/15/2013 5:52:52 AM
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hello. i wonder how Princeton works and how you defend it. I have seen different games where the Bigs score very efficient (f.e. (56115044)).

Is it an outside oriented tactic? so if I play 3-2 against it would that just allow the oopenent bigmen to score even more? I thought it might be a good option because my bigs have a mediocre OD and i dont want them to defend outside shots...

/edit: here is another game against a stronger oopenent. (56115028) i dont really know how to tackle this team

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Date: 5/15/2013 9:12:51 AM
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Compare the rosters for the games. It looks like the team running princeton outclassed them by a mile. They probably could've played 4 on 5 and still won. At some point, strategy stops mattering and the players performance and skill is what counts. That's why the NCAA Tournament team, the underdogs hardly ever go all the way and win, because they just simply don't have the best players.

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Date: 5/15/2013 10:08:19 AM
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Use 3-2 zone ...

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Date: 5/15/2013 10:14:02 AM
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All things being equal, 3-2 is the best defense.

From: GM-hrudey

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Date: 5/15/2013 10:48:51 AM
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Is it an outside oriented tactic? so if I play 3-2 against it would that just allow the oopenent bigmen to score even more? I thought it might be a good option because my bigs have a mediocre OD and i dont want them to defend outside shots...


It's a mixed tactic - it'll look for a man free to drive it to the basket, and then if that doesn't work usually try to get an outside shot. But when it's run with big men who have some JS and JR, you definitely do not want big men with low OD paired up on them routinely. I would say that the 3-2 is probably the way to go as well, here, but don't be surprised if there's a fair number of driving layups and dunks because his team also appears to have good handling/passing across the board. Still, you'd much rather rely on your PF and C to be able to handle that then to try to defend the three point line.

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Date: 5/15/2013 5:37:40 PM
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It's a mixed tactic

While Princeton was supposed to have an inside focus as well... it doesn't. It's no more an inside a tactic than Run and Gun is. Princeton was also supposed to have a decrease in 2pt jump shots, but actually results in an increase over base offense. (someone posted data on this in the bugs forum before).

It's not the only offense that doesn't work as designed. Patient is supposed to be a slow version of Base Offense / Push the Ball... but obviously isn't.

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Date: 5/15/2013 6:28:26 PM
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It's a mixed tactic

While Princeton was supposed to have an inside focus as well... it doesn't. It's no more an inside a tactic than Run and Gun is. Princeton was also supposed to have a decrease in 2pt jump shots, but actually results in an increase over base offense. (someone posted data on this in the bugs forum before).

It's not the only offense that doesn't work as designed. Patient is supposed to be a slow version of Base Offense / Push the Ball... but obviously isn't.


Yes, there are more jump shots than in base offense, and generally fewer inside shots. But inside shots and drives are still taken, especially when those shots fit the players' profile. My last game for example, my PF for the game is a mostly blah center build offensively but with good handling and passing, but atrocious driving and not much JS/JR. He missed one contested jumper (and was fouled on another), but took 6 inside shots (3 contested, 3 uncontested) plus drew two fouls. No drives or threes. Meanwhile, my C, who this week is a PG but will probably be back to SF after training, has much lower IS but has high DR/HA/PA and good JS/JR (especially compared to the C build). He took four regular inside shots (2 contested, 2 uncontested), and four contested drive attempts, vs. 6 jumpers (2 uncontested) and no threes.

I'm heading out so I can't run through all my games against a 3-2, but I have definitely noticed my trainees at least tend to drive and shoot from inside more frequently against that defense, while they'll shoot from outside more often against man to man. At least that's my impression from watching the games live, of course, so it's anecdotal.

From: Eagle
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Date: 5/16/2013 3:30:59 PM
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M-M. Well M-M is the best for all tactics given that a team does not have any major weakness.

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Date: 5/16/2013 4:14:08 PM
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By design I suppose that Princeton should be defended best by 1-3-1 zone.


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Date: 5/16/2013 5:32:13 PM
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From my experience (I only play Princeton in SC), PRTN results in tons of threes and cuts for guards, not many mid-range shots, so I don't know 1-3-1 is the best to guard that. 1-3-1 lacks so much inside defense and rebounding, very hard to make up these two holes.

btw: Do you know anybody who plays PRTN in league games or games that matter? I see PRTN as a "give up" tactic when I, you know, give up.

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