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244798.1
Date: 6/24/2013 4:48:14 PM
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I think there should be a new tactic called Base Isolation.

Currently, I feel like there's no real tangible way to utilize the scoring of high Inside Shot guards. You've Outside Isolation, but that only focuses on the best outside scorers (high JS/JR). You've got inside isolation but that really will only focus on the best big man inside scorer, and guards won't have as much of a chance to do any inside work. You even have Patient, which can highlight big men with high JS ratings, but not really the other way around.

Why can't we have a tactic that will focus on posting up guards?

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244798.2 in reply to 244798.1
Date: 6/24/2013 4:53:39 PM
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I think there should be a new tactic called Base Isolation.

Currently, I feel like there's no real tangible way to utilize the scoring of high Inside Shot guards. You've Outside Isolation, but that only focuses on the best outside scorers (high JS/JR). You've got inside isolation but that really will only focus on the best big man inside scorer, and guards won't have as much of a chance to do any inside work. You even have Patient, which can highlight big men with high JS ratings, but not really the other way around.

Why can't we have a tactic that will focus on posting up guards?

About the bolded part... are you sure? Because I have different observations.

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244798.3 in reply to 244798.2
Date: 6/24/2013 5:01:07 PM
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My sample size is admittedly low, but from what I've seen the guards (even with high inside skills) take their majority of their shots outside of the lane.

Do you have any stats for your observations?

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244798.4 in reply to 244798.3
Date: 6/24/2013 5:33:11 PM
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I don't have precise stats, but just a few observations. All I noticed is that I was expecting big men to take lots of inside shots, instead PG/SG took lots of shots (inside and outside as well)... much more than I expected. Even more 3s than LI...

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244798.5 in reply to 244798.4
Date: 6/24/2013 10:45:07 PM
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Yea I see the same with the guards shooting from the outside. I think that's my problem with it and hte reason i think there should be an additional tactic. Or at least tweak the current one to be able to choose who you isolate on the inside.

Maybe that's the better option.. just choosing who to isolate. In real basketball coaches can gameplan towards mismatches. As an IU basketball fan I watched all seasons as teams would post up Jordan Hulls... Shouldn't be easy enough to add that to the GE??

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244798.6 in reply to 244798.1
Date: 6/25/2013 12:18:28 AM
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Like this idea.

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244798.7 in reply to 244798.6
Date: 6/25/2013 3:25:13 AM
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Well, the ISO usually says where you isolate your guy. If you want your Guard to take inside shots, you usually don´t set him up at the low post or at the base line, because he doesn´t have the space to move around nor to pick up speed there. So you´d rarely see a Guard doing inside shots when you isolate him INSIDE.

If you want to get your guard driving, then you usually set him up in an outside isolation, where he can either move around or drive by his defender with speed or shoot if the defender gives a step too much room.


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244798.8 in reply to 244798.7
Date: 6/25/2013 5:06:31 AM
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I don't understand :-\
If I choose inside isolation, is because I want people to shoot in the paint, right? So what I expect is that big men (better at shooting inside) will shoot most of the shots, right? Instead even little men shoot a lot, even more than big men... that's something I don't get.

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244798.9 in reply to 244798.8
Date: 6/25/2013 6:53:11 AM
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I don't understand :-\
If I choose inside isolation, is because I want people to shoot in the paint, right? So what I expect is that big men (better at shooting inside) will shoot most of the shots, right? Instead even little men shoot a lot, even more than big men... that's something I don't get.


It make perfect sense. Inside isolation is basically throwing the ball to your best inside shooter and waiting for him to create his own shot. And typically, big men aren't exactly overflowing with driving and handling, so when they get the ball in a non-prime shooting position, they won't be able to drive past their guy to get a good shot so they'll either launch a bad shot, pass the bal off, or turn it over.

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244798.11 in reply to 244798.7
Date: 6/25/2013 8:44:00 AM
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Well, the ISO usually says where you isolate your guy. If you want your Guard to take inside shots, you usually don´t set him up at the low post or at the base line, because he doesn´t have the space to move around nor to pick up speed there. So you´d rarely see a Guard doing inside shots when you isolate him INSIDE.

If you want to get your guard driving, then you usually set him up in an outside isolation, where he can either move around or drive by his defender with speed or shoot if the defender gives a step too much room.



That's just it, I'm not talking about guards driving, I'm talking about guards and their inside shot. You rarely see it because there isn't an offense that focuses on it. And I think there should be, especially since there are offenses that focus on big guy's jump shots.

If you can run something like patient that exploits opposing big men's OD because your big's JS, you should be able to exploit opposing guard's inside defense with your guard's inside shot.