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246531.1
Date: 8/16/2013 5:12:43 AM
Maddogs-Hellas
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I trained my 19y old, 6'10" Center in Passing(PG), with a level 4 trainer, for the last two weeks and he didnt pop up.
Noted that the first week he got 47 minutes in PG position, second week he got the full 48 minutes.
According to training.bb-usa, he should be getting about 0,68 pop ups per session.
Even if he got 90% of training the first week, altough i've read that with 47 playing minutes the decrease is 1-2%, he should definately get a pop up, if the aforementioned tool(with a fairly large database) is even remotely accurate.

Should i be informing my local GMs or am i missing something here?

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246531.2 in reply to 246531.1
Date: 8/16/2013 6:38:31 AM
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In next 2 weeks, you will have 2 pop ups ;)) Don't worry. Nothing happened.

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246531.3 in reply to 246531.2
Date: 8/16/2013 6:44:23 AM
Maddogs-Hellas
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Even if that happens, even if his sub-level is the minimum 0,1, it means that he'll get 1,99 in four training sessions, just under 0,50 per session.
That is a long way off from the estimated 0,68.

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246531.4 in reply to 246531.3
Date: 8/16/2013 6:49:49 AM
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Imagine that he had 0,01. Then 2 trainings and he has 0,99.

Next training and maybe 1,67.
Next maybe 2,35.
And next maybe 3,03.

So just wait. I am sure it is not bug or error :)

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246531.5 in reply to 246531.4
Date: 8/16/2013 6:58:52 AM
Maddogs-Hellas
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Thank you for the responses.

Assuming all 5 training sessions you mentioned are in a row, in order to eliminate cross training, it still doesn't make sense.
With your example, im getting the fist two session 0,495 each and then for the following three sessions im somehow "upgrading" to 0,68?

The way i see it, there are only three possible explanations.
1) I "read" the formula wrong.
2) The formula is totally inaccurate.
3) There is a "bug".

This is what i am still trying to establish here.

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246531.6 in reply to 246531.5
Date: 8/16/2013 7:21:57 AM
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I can tell you just one thing. This formula is okay, but this is just math. It is not for 100% sure, that this numbers are exactly perfect. So you have to take it with distance.

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246531.7 in reply to 246531.5
Date: 8/16/2013 7:49:36 AM
Surry Hills Peeps
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I think what is important to remember here is, that the Training Site is a help tool, it is also set up with known quantities as well as the supplied info. One thing it is not is perfect. There are a few contributing factors that throw some of the standard calculations off (elastic effect, trainer level, sub levels, etc)

I have a young trainee that took 3 weeks to pop (of full 48+) in OD, then he popped in 1 week, since then he popped at 2 weeks consistently until a few weeks ago and tonight on the 3rd week he popped again, hopefully he goes again next week.

It all works out, sometimes it is just disappointing.

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246531.8 in reply to 246531.6
Date: 8/16/2013 8:48:27 AM
Maddogs-Hellas
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You make a valid point here. Thanks.

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246531.9 in reply to 246531.7
Date: 8/16/2013 8:57:02 AM
Maddogs-Hellas
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Thanks for the response mate.
I understand the point you make, that's why i included in my results the site's trainer data and counted with minimum 0,1 sublevel.
Even with elastic effect and possibly other factors, not considered, i believe a 25%(minimum) deviation is huge, from a stastistical point of view.
Perhaps, i should inform the site's guys about this and take it from there.

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246531.10 in reply to 246531.9
Date: 8/16/2013 9:47:48 AM
Neverwinter
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I don't want to sound harsh, but you're overthinking it. All we have are estimations, not accurate information. Sometimes it goes slower than expected, and sometimes maybe faster :) These estimations are really good enough, and there is more data to analyze every week. You have no reason to make a fuss about a week late pop.

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246531.11 in reply to 246531.1
Date: 8/16/2013 10:01:53 AM
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My best guess is that some of the data on training young big men is probably noisy because of sublevels - it's far less likely that big men are receiving multiple weeks of passing training consecutively so it is therefore more likely that early pops that are influenced by starting sublevel are weighing into the calculations more than would otherwise be anticipated. Plus it may well be that elastic effect may have also influenced both the reported stats and your trainee. As I'm looking back at my training history, I find that most of my early passing training on my big men was actually PG/SG because I was still transitioning from my earlier guards, so I can't really give any good numbers for one position passing at that age like I had thought I might be able to.