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Senior National team U-21 National Team U-19 National Team

A team comprised of only 18 and 19yr olds, another of only 20 and 21 yr olds, and the senior team of Minimum aged 22 on up.

Larger nations point blank have immense quantities of talented players but very few ever get to be utilized on the larger stage. Even micro nations thanks to Utopia over time will start experiencing deeper developed talent pools.

Its already done in real life and to an even further extent when you look at U-18, U-17, and U-16 national teams so the idea of simply turning our current youth national teams into 2 teams isn't crazy.

Also of course opens more opportunity for people to become managers.

Last edited by Naeem at 04/23/2023 11:20:52

I don't like the idea, because 90% of 18-19 year olds (if trained correctly according to elastics) are trained the exact same way.

Larger nations point blank have immense quantities of talented players but very few ever get to be utilized on the larger stage. Even micro nations thanks to Utopia over time will start experiencing deeper developed talent pools.

I don't think adding a U19 team addresses this issue either, as most of the players who would be on on track for U21, would make up the roster of the U19 team. It would be 80% of the same players for both teams.

Something like a U24 team would make more sense than a U19 team. At 24, most players are not making their National Team (for larger nations at least) but are very skilled players still. I'd say most large nation National Team players enter the NT scene around 26-28, so U24 would be a nice balance between the U21 NT and Senior NT. Even this idea though, would cause problems for micro nations as the senior NT would want some of the U24 players on the senior team.

Last edited by E.B.W. at 04/23/2023 17:10:18

Players wouldn't be able to double up on teams played for so Yes players in U19 would be on track to be rostered for the U21 team BUT they wouldn't be on the U21 roster until at least 20yrs old. You ultimately have 3 rosters filled out by 3 Different groups of players. It wouldn't be Player A being on multiple teams.

Your idea of the U24 team could work and would also make sense. Your concern however could be navigated by making that team an optional team per nation. Not all nations have to have a U24 team. Those smaller nations could prioritize their senior team or U21 but larger nations could still opt in to the U24 tournament. Plenty of nations could easily field that U21, U24, and Senior teams easily.

Going forward, U21 and Senior Teams could still be standard while U19 and/or U24 teams could be optional on a voting basis per nation. If the majority vote in the country is Yes then that nation will field a team for the age group voted on and after all nations have their submissions the tournament tables could then be generated for competition.

No players allowed on multiple teams, fielding a team beyond the current ones would be a national vote thus making it optional per nation large and micro, and more players and managers would be provided opportunities to compete.

Players wouldn't be able to double up on teams played for so Yes players in U19 would be on track to be rostered for the U21 team BUT they wouldn't be on the U21 roster until at least 20yrs old. You ultimately have 3 rosters filled out by 3 Different groups of players. It wouldn't be Player A being on multiple teams.

I hate this. I currently manage the South Africa U21 team and have 3 rotation players (with one of them being the best guard on my roster) who are 19 years old. Many micro nation teams barely have enough players to field a U21 team, let alone a U19 team.

Having the nations vote on U19/U24 teams also doesn't make sense to me. It should either be in place every season for every nation or not in place at all in my opinion.

Overall this is a fun idea in theory, but a poor one in practice.

Putting the choice of having an additional national team fielded in the hands of the citizens of that given nation doesn't make sense?

People of the nation not having a choice in the matter makes more sense? No nation should be allowed to have a U24 team or U19 team purely because Micro nations may or may not be onboard with it?

That doesn't make sense to me.

If a majority of Bosnians, Chinese, Americans, and French amongst MANY other nations do have a majority of respective citizens vote in favor of having that U24 team for example, they still shouldn't be able to have one and have a tournament because other nations like South Africa Don't want one?

How does that make sense especially when Utopian teams have been given dual nationality players in an attempt to help Micro Nations? All nations shouldn't be restricted in having a U24 or U19 competition because some micro nations might not want to participate in it. If your nation doesn't want to compete in it you wouldn't be forced to hence the voting process per nation which opens the door for ANY nation to be involved but NO nation be forced to be involved.

I disagree.

A voting process for which teams want to participate doesn't make any sense to me. Would this be a one-time vote only? Would this be every election, that nations are also voting on if they want a U24/U19 team, while they are electing national team managers? How can elections even work if you don't know if there is even a national team to coach? This would entirely change and mess up the structure of the tournaments, especially if the amount of teams are changing every other season.

If it's a one-time vote suggestion, in 5 seasons, users from that country may feel differently and want to be added/removed from U19/U24 competition. As voting goes, more times than not, it is a 60/40 split or closer and I don't see a reason to over complicate things. 90% of users do not even pay attention to or care about U21/NT competitions as currently constructed. Adding another team won't suddenly make users more invested.

Last edited by E.B.W. at 04/23/2023 19:48:12

Something like a U24 team would make more sense than a U19 team. At 24, most players are not making their National Team (for larger nations at least) but are very skilled players still. I'd say most large nation National Team players enter the NT scene around 26-28, so U24 would be a nice balance between the U21 NT and Senior NT. Even this idea though, would cause problems for micro nations as the senior NT would want some of the U24 players on the senior team.

I'm all for a U24 team. It would also give people an incentive to train the 7 and 8 potential players, coz at least these players have an extra 3 years to play at NT level. These players would almost never make it into the NT, and are often overlooked by trainers because of their lower potential.

A U19 team would be pretty redundant coz we know most players are training 1v1 Forwards in their first season. Even if they aren't there is also not enough time frame for any player to achieve any useful builds so it's very highly reliant on starting skills.

Agreed.

Show my P-Allstars and Superstars some love

I like u24

Last edited by canci at 04/28/2023 10:28:05

Pro U21 and U24 (23)

Last edited by Elliss at 05/01/2023 11:35:18