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I have an issue with the change in sales tax calculation punishing people retroactively. For example, I made a substantial amount of trades in the past month or so. It might be a good example of day trading but I believed it was the most effective way to support my cash flow as a newer team. I purchased Giuliano Martone on 4/23/08, well before any changes were announced or put into effect and now I can only collect 41% of the sales price, essentially forcing me to keep the player as I will never recoup the amount necessary to make it more profitable to trade him. In a time where I just drafted 3 new players and am looking to cut roster expenses, I am hurt even more by the rule. This is just an example. Of the players I have had since drafting them, 11/15 of my players, I can only receive 88% of the sales price as opposed to 97% before. So basically because I did something completely within the rules of the game and widely utilized, and now I am punished for breaking no rules. I would be interested to see what similar users have experienced and what users who made no trades experienced. The opacity of the changes are only exacerbating the issue. Is it listed somewhere what penalties I will receive moving forward or the reasoning behind penalizing a team for acting within the rules? I can understand the reasoning behind the attempts to limit the issue moving forward, but can’t understand how it is acceptable to make changes that penalize the past.

you have shown how nice the new rules implemented by BB work.

It was anounced in the news that this was going to happen, and everyone was given about a week time to sell players in the old system. If you desperatly wanted to cut your roster, you should have put them up for sale last week, making sure you asked a low-fair price to make sure they would be gone.

You now have the option to either sell them anyway (and loose the profit you where hoping for), or keep them a while until your sellrate drops enough for your players to have lower taxes.

There is no one punishing you for the trades you made earlier, and the money you made on them, the only thing that happened is that BB prevented day-traders from keeping making money this way. You can now make no extra money by selling players anymore after you sold many players the past 14 weeks, and that is exactly what BB intended to do.

I think it might be best to do some math to see what would be best for you and your team. If it helps here is my situation: I sold 7 players the last 14 weeks, and now want to sell a player again I bought not so long ago because I just noticed he is bigger then 2m and I decided it will not be good to train him as PG, what I initially planned. In normal circumstances I estimate I would get about 82 to 85% of him, but now I get 79% for him should I sell him. Hope this info helps in making up your decision.

I understand it was announced, but I had no way of anticipating the breadth of the changes. Never before did I only receive 41% of the sales proceeds for selling a player. That would be an extreme expectation.

I tried to sell a few players during the last week but it is my experience that the Transfer List has been severely slowed meaning less people are willing to list players and less are willing to buy given the changes to enthusiasm and game shape as well as potential. As a result I was reluctant to sell below what I thought was a fair market for them. Because these rules were implemented does not mean the player is any less valuable to a team, it just means it is harder to purchase them.

In response to your comment about no one punishing me for previous actions, I think you missed my point, which was supposed to be the whole point of the post. I, and many others, am certainly penalized for what happened before. Because I traded a lot before I now take larger hit under the new system. I traded before under the rules of the game and would not trade in such a way now because the rules are deterring me. That in itself is enough to change my behavior. I should not receive less of the sales amount because I traded more players than you did before. I should receive an equal amount as you, unless I continued to day trade.

Think of it this way. Suppose I robbed a bank, but at the time there were no rules preventing me from robbing a bank. Then the government made a law about not robbing banks. The government could not legally make me pay back the money I stole because at the time it was perfectly legal, they could only make me repay any money I stole after that new law had been in place. Does that make any sense?

I get the rules, I get what they are trying to accomplish, I just think this is a crappy way of doing it. And I know how the math works, that's why I'm so annoyed by it.

in a way you are right.

but you also will have to admid that at some point something is done, it is always prety abrubt, and there is no ideal situation to deal with it.

I, and probably many others and also BBs, possibly see this the following way:
because you where able to make profit earlier, by a way that was not prohibited, but also did not simulate good managership when you compare it to real life managership, it makes up for the amount of time you now will have to wait to be able to sell trained people for a higher profit.
Should BB have done nothing, everyone would have kept doing what they where doing. Do not get this wrong, daytrading still is not prohibited! It is only less attractive now.
BB also did give managers a chance of selling the players they wanted to get rid off, and it is not that transfermarket was entiry dead last week, I paid a high price for my latest new star, and saw a similar star being sold for the same price who was bought for little more than half that money a week earlier!
As for your bank-example this would make this diffrence: you are used to robbing banks, which is not prohibited. Bankrobbing is still not prohibited, but the banks have had it, so instead of stuffing their closets with money, some banks have no money anymore, so if you try to rob it, you get 0 money for your effort. Other banks even decided to ambush the robbers, and rob the robbers themselves, which makes you will leave the bank with less than you already had. The diffrence is, BB anounced it, banks wouldn't.

I think it might be best for you to keep the players for a few more weeks, and then slowly sell them off 1 at a time, not buying any new players in the meantime. Once you have sold off the excess, you can start planning how you will fill in in your behaviour you anounced in previous post.

It is indeed very likely the TL will see less trafic because of this, actually it is predictable it will. DT-ing is as good as killed by this rule, and I predict on average prices will go down because of this, not only that, but rare players which are very good will become very expensive, while average players will get a serious pricedrop. The lpayers in between that where now favorite for traders, will get few bidders now, which makes prices drop as well...
Ofcourse I could be terribly wrong, since I am no economist.

I don't disagree with the motives behind the changes or the changes themselves, I just don't see why I, who did no more wrong than you, am penalized more than you. What I did was perfectly acceptable as was what you did, we should get penalized equally and if I continue to do it and you don't I should get penalized more. I should not get penalized more because I chose to manage my team a certain way even though it was perfectly within the rules.

well.

you do not get penalized if you stop selling players.
The thing bothering you is that the players you bought to be able to sell them with profit (as you where doing before) are not sellable with profit at this time, which is exactly what was intended, and announced. I can't see how you think you are penalized...

You say so yourself, if you keep doing what you did (which is what you do if you sell those players) you may get penalized. If you do not do what you where doing anymore (by not selling those players) you are not penalized.

Now tell me how you get penalized? You did not have to pay any fee on your previous sales I hope?

Ofcourse this new rule kicks in for each manager with a defferent impact, and I believe you can understand that there is no other way.
How would you suggest BB should have implemented it to be equally fair for all managers?

Ah but the players on my team were not meant to be sold for a profit. I had 12 players on my roster for the playoffs, drafted 3 which leaves me with my current 15. I want to cut weight but wanted to see how some of the new rookies played before I did so which is why I didn't unload at an inconvenient time.

I would have suggested calculating the sales tax from the beginning of season 5 forward not, 14 weeks ago forward or whatever it was. This would ensure people only getting taxed for something against the rules and not getting taxed for something that was perfectly within the rules.

well i have to admit the new taxes seems fair to me.
if i would sell one of my trainees i still get the low tax, only quick cash maybe does not work no more except you buy for 1k and sell for 100k then you still can make money on the market.
whatever most of the people wanted it that way so we have to adapt.

I would have suggested calculating the sales tax from the beginning of season 5 forward not, 14 weeks ago forward or whatever it was. .

should they have done that, then daytraders could go on for another season... so this was no option...

It was anounced in the news that this was going to happen, and everyone was given about a week time to sell players in the old system. If you desperatly wanted to cut your roster, you should have put them up for sale last week, making sure you asked a low-fair price to make sure they would be gone..

you getting 3-4 days for it not a week, and the other change with the fans was implemented earlier ... Also the bb wants us to sell with a right first bid, so i think this 4 days was a joke.

They should give at leat a half season before implemented changes who affect the long term planning, you have done with the running system.

I would have suggested calculating the sales tax from the beginning of season 5 forward not, 14 weeks ago forward or whatever it was. .

should they have done that, then daytraders could go on for another season... so this was no option...

Sure it was an option, i doN#t see that they destroy the game anyway they get punish trought the fan system ... But it wasn't fair to punish people to rob a bank it robbing the bank was legal, after changing the system that robbing the bank is illegal.

I don't make huge profit, and expected that the changes beginn of the end of the season because of the last break of the text, and i thought this was the best oppurtunity. And i don't sell that much players that you could call me a day trader, but it still affects me and don't let me handly injuries etc. as good as before.