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From: Coot
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Date: 7/19/2008 10:02:14 PM
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What are the requirements on moving up to a higher league?

finishing 1st in your conference?
winning the championship?
both?

From: waggyrob

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Date: 7/19/2008 11:07:53 PM
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winning the championship?


that or a bot cleanup

From: jimrtex

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39539.3 in reply to 39539.1
Date: 7/22/2008 2:07:47 AM
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Winning the playoffs guarantees promotion.

And then there is a bot cleanup where additional teams may be promoted based on (1) Conference place, (2) Wins (3) Point Difference (4) Points Scored. I'd guess from D.IV USA, you'd have to be in 1st place in your conference, and a little better record than you have now. I can see 16-6 making it and 14-8 not.

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39539.4 in reply to 39539.3
Date: 7/24/2008 4:04:40 PM
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Are there a lot of bots in div 3?
If there are not.. then I would think you would need a better record than 16-6.. just in my conference and my friend's conference, there are 6 teams with 18 or more wins.

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39539.5 in reply to 39539.4
Date: 7/25/2008 1:06:41 AM
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There is exactly 38 bots in USA III divisions.

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39539.6 in reply to 39539.5
Date: 7/25/2008 11:03:07 AM
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Oh. That's more than I would have thought.. lol.

So maybe I might move to div III? I don't really want to because of bots.. I want to wait until I can win.

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39539.7 in reply to 39539.4
Date: 7/25/2008 3:21:03 PM
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Most of the bots in D.III will relegate naturally. 38 spread over 16 series is a little less than 2.5 per league, and there are 6 potential relegation spots.

Teams that are abandoned have their lineups reset (they use their 12 highest salaried players, with the most expensive starting at PG), so they are fairly easy to beat. And owners are more likely to stop logging in if their team is losing, than if it is winning.

The source of most extra promotions into USA D.III actually come from bots being promoted into D.III (there are 15 leagues that are all bot) and then relegated into another D.IV league as part of the bot cleanup. There are also 11 D.IV leagues with only a single owned team, but most of these will win their league's playoff.

There are 4 unowned teams in D.II which will be relegated to D.III as a normal relegation, and then moved on to D.IV as part of the bot cleanup.

So that makes perhaps 25 extra promotions. Extra promotions are based on place within conference, and then regular season record, so you are not only 16-6, you are a 2nd place team. So I think the extra promotions from D.IV will be 1st place teams with pretty good, but not exceptional records. Perhaps 17 or 18 wins.

In past seasons, 3rd place teams have been promoted as part of the bot cleanup, so D.III is really starting to firm up with experience teams/owners.

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39539.8 in reply to 39539.7
Date: 7/25/2008 5:27:42 PM
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You directed that post to me but then you were not talking about my team (I'm not 16-6). I'm not the same person who originally posted. :-)

I didn't realize exactly how it worked so I kinda jumped into someone else's topic.. heh. Thanks for making it so clear. :-)

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Date: 7/26/2008 8:17:12 AM
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You directed that post to me but then you were not talking about my team (I'm not 16-6). I'm not the same person who originally posted. :-)

I checked your league standings and saw that you were 2nd, and then got mixed up.

18-3 would probably be good enough if you were in first place, so I'd expect both Sin Amor and Destroyers to promote, even if neither win the playoffs. But since the extra promotion takes into account not only record from place, I think you'll need to win the playoffs.

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39539.10 in reply to 39539.9
Date: 7/27/2008 4:52:50 AM
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are there any bots in USA DIV.II. what chance do i have if i lose the play-offs considering my unbeaten season?

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Date: 7/27/2008 9:15:21 AM
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It's fairly easy to check, which I haven't, but if there are any bots, they're probably in relegating positions.

Pappy