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50869.1
Date: 9/20/2008 2:02:54 PM
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What are your experiences with this kinda defense. I have a lot of R & G teams in my league, so I am thinking to start using it. I used it already once, but I lost the game :(
Sorry if there is a similar thread somewhere around, I didn't looked for it

From: ned

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50869.2 in reply to 50869.1
Date: 9/20/2008 4:29:04 PM
Freccia Azzurra
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You must have center and PF with a good skill in rebound if you want to use 1-3-1 or at least your C + PF must be better than your opponent in these positions.

1990-2022 Stalinorgel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV-Xppl6h8Et
From: Shoei

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50869.3 in reply to 50869.2
Date: 9/20/2008 7:58:38 PM
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from my experience in thereal world,

a 1-3-1 defense focus is to lock down on perimeter players especially but when the ball is move to the side ( example to the right ) the 1-3-1 formation the later 1 takes on the pf or c or whoever big man is on that side ( right ) of that with the ball .

then the 3 ( positioned at right - center - left ) then that left player adjust by sliding down to guard the other big men, basically the person at the center doesnt move that much.

same as it goes if the ball is move to the left. basically you may see that the side that doesnt have the ball that wingman is free but if he cuts the center ( not your center but whoever is place at the center of the 1-3-1) will take him but the point is they will make a long pass to him since the first 1( 1-3-1 ) picks up that guy the nearest player to him, this is where steals usually happens since the defensive playeron the side without the ball slides down when that long pass happens that is anticpated and more probably end up in steals.

that is why i ask the bb or whoever had an idea what player is stationed at that later 1 because you have to have a lot of things to consider such as stamina ( he will keep on switching left to right as long as the ball is moving ) also if your looking at your opponents lineup if he has superior big men your better off doing 3-2.

try to scout on their big men, even if he has 30k salary but isnt much of a factor ofensively probably its more of a defensive man but warning you might see him become a scoring option suddenly but i think its worth the gameble for him to score 20 points than see 3 of this outside players score 15 each or 20 each

hope it helps


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50869.4 in reply to 50869.3
Date: 9/21/2008 9:58:55 AM
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from my experience in thereal world,

a 1-3-1 defense focus is to lock down on perimeter players especially but when the ball is move to the side ( example to the right ) the 1-3-1 formation the later 1 takes on the pf or c or whoever big man is on that side ( right ) of that with the ball .

then the 3 ( positioned at right - center - left ) then that left player adjust by sliding down to guard the other big men, basically the person at the center doesnt move that much.

same as it goes if the ball is move to the left. basically you may see that the side that doesnt have the ball that wingman is free but if he cuts the center ( not your center but whoever is place at the center of the 1-3-1) will take him but the point is they will make a long pass to him since the first 1( 1-3-1 ) picks up that guy the nearest player to him, this is where steals usually happens since the defensive playeron the side without the ball slides down when that long pass happens that is anticpated and more probably end up in steals.

that is why i ask the bb or whoever had an idea what player is stationed at that later 1 because you have to have a lot of things to consider such as stamina ( he will keep on switching left to right as long as the ball is moving ) also if your looking at your opponents lineup if he has superior big men your better off doing 3-2.

try to scout on their big men, even if he has 30k salary but isnt much of a factor ofensively probably its more of a defensive man but warning you might see him become a scoring option suddenly but i think its worth the gameble for him to score 20 points than see 3 of this outside players score 15 each or 20 each

hope it helps


Question is how alike the BB is to the real world...hard to get the analysis when guesses and so on is the only thing to rely on s ofar.

but very intresting facts, shall try it on and see how my team handle the 1-3-1 in diff. situations

From: shimkens

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50869.5 in reply to 50869.3
Date: 9/21/2008 11:01:58 AM
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Thanks for the help, but thats all IRL, I need someone who played 1-3-1 in BB. Honestly, I think this kinda defense is a waste of time, even if your pf and c are great rebounders, the opposite team still gets lots of offensive rebounds. Maybe their 3pt shooting % would go down, but still... I can't see anyone playing 1-3-1 here, but I can't waste my time by searching for someone, I just hoped that somebody who played 1-3-1 will show up and say he's experiences. Until then, I won't try to experiment anything and potentialy lose my place in this league.
Thx for the help anyway

From: ned

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50869.6 in reply to 50869.5
Date: 9/21/2008 12:59:12 PM
Freccia Azzurra
IV.18
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Second Team:
Slaytanic
Did u see my last match?

1990-2022 Stalinorgel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV-Xppl6h8Et
From: shimkens

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50869.7 in reply to 50869.6
Date: 9/21/2008 1:55:08 PM
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No, sorry man :(

Now I did, you played it really well. But still, the problem is that my players have poor outside defense, my players are mainly shooters . I will still think a bit, and then decide, I will try 3-2 zone first, if it turns out to be good, I probably won't use 1-3-1. Thanks anyway :)

From: ned

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50869.8 in reply to 50869.7
Date: 9/21/2008 5:19:39 PM
Freccia Azzurra
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Second Team:
Slaytanic
Believe me I'm in your situation, see the player that I've for sale, this is not a monster in OD but I think you don't have to focus your attention to the "hobbits" but to the center and the PF if you really want to use 1-3-1. Good luck with your next matches ;)

1990-2022 Stalinorgel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV-Xppl6h8Et
From: Shoei

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50869.9 in reply to 50869.8
Date: 9/21/2008 8:32:11 PM
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i did try using it before on runa nd gun and motion offense,

actually already shared my experience and that is, with this he will have a hard time to score outside but i already told you

if he had decent big men who can score then expect their big men to come up big this game that is why i ask you to scout his big men

if it turned out that his big men isnt much of a scorer even with heavy minutes then he might turn up 15-20 pomints in that game and expect he will get tons of rebounds unless you have your big man with stamina and superior rebounding

as i said i dont know what is the formation of 1-3-1 in bb world.


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50869.10 in reply to 50869.7
Date: 9/21/2008 10:00:30 PM
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Well
I played quite a few 1-3-1's at the end of last season and had really nice results.
Check out my schedule. I've played it mostly against Vitoria Devils, Bauducco and Del Rei Calius, 3 strongest perimiters in LN. I also played 1-3-1 in my PL last season, against KDB and Got Rice?. Both matches went into double OT, which is amazing result for me considering their teams are way better than mine (I eventually lost those games, though).
Bauducco and Calius were killed by it. Devils has a way better team than me and struggled a bit because of 1-3-1, almost losing a home game in the LN final game 1 last season.
On another game, don't remember if semi-final or quarter-final of Brazilian tournament, Calius played a 1-3-1 against Devils and got really close to beating him even though playing away and having a worse team.

I definitely recommend using it when the opponent's inside offense doesn't scare you that much...

I should add though that every player in my team is a decent rebounder, and my PF and C are great rebounders, so that aspect of it is covered for me...