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From: Idan
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56835.1
Date: 11/7/2008 9:03:49 AM
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I've been training this (835311) player for a long time since his last pop,
something like 4-5 inside shot trainings, and 3-4 inside def training and a couple of rebounding trainings and no pop, and thats for a whole season.

I was wondering either he has trained and is closer to the pop than before, or maybe there was a bug and he didnt get trained during the whole season?

I'll be happy to get an answer on this, as my team depends in this training sessions.
thx in advance.

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56835.2 in reply to 56835.1
Date: 11/7/2008 9:04:55 AM
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Or maybe 50k is the salary limit for all-star potential, which is probably the most plausible explanation of the situation.

edit: Of course, this is just a guess -- I have no inside knowledge on potential caps.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 11/7/2008 9:05:27 AM

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56835.3 in reply to 56835.2
Date: 11/7/2008 9:13:31 AM
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ya, I thought about this kind of explanation, but since potential is a soft cap, I thought he should pop anyway after longer than usual training sessions.
If a slightly weaker ability of his, one would think that 3 direct training sessions, and 4-5 indirect would result in a pop.
but maybe I misjudged, I'm just a bit concerned, and thought maybe it's possible to ease my thoughts about it.

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56835.4 in reply to 56835.2
Date: 11/7/2008 3:59:08 PM
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50k won't be the limit, there are already players with 70-80k salary. (C's with 3x wondrous or something).

I don't think the soft cap has a direct relation with salary. I think it has a direct relation with skills, since salary is only updated once a season and that would mean that players can't reach their cap during the season untill the salary update.

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56835.5 in reply to 56835.4
Date: 11/7/2008 4:02:51 PM
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50k won't be the limit, there are already players with 70-80k salary. (C's with 3x wondrous or something).

I don't think the soft cap has a direct relation with salary. I think it has a direct relation with skills, since salary is only updated once a season and that would mean that players can't reach their cap during the season untill the salary update.

The question is whether these players were trained before or after instituting potentials.

Plus, the cap algorithm uses a "salary-like" variable, which is obtained by current skills -- it will not be very smart to use the actual salary, since, as you pointed out, it only updates once a season.

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56835.6 in reply to 56835.5
Date: 11/7/2008 5:27:23 PM
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Those players were trained over the cap after potential was introduced indeed. I've seen all star potential players popping to 2x wondrous 1 tremendous this season.


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56835.7 in reply to 56835.6
Date: 11/7/2008 5:48:14 PM
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Those players were trained over the cap after potential was introduced indeed. I've seen all star potential players popping to 2x wondrous 1 tremendous this season.


Skills do not tell all. A 2x wondrous, 1 tremendous center can have a very wide range of salaries, depending on his shotblocking ability.

I am not discarding what you're saying, and there can indeed be other explanations: for example, training speed has finally been lowered down to base. I've had 2 players not pop OD from 3 trainings this season.

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56835.8 in reply to 56835.7
Date: 11/7/2008 6:05:55 PM
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I'm not talking about 1 single player, I'm talking about a database of NT players, Thijs76 from Holland is tracking all players from all NTs when they are on the list for a few seasons now. So we have a lot of data about high skilled players.

Let's look at Cs with 7 SB. A C with 3x 13 will have at least 55k salary, which is easily done at allstar. The salary will indeed be way higher when the SB reaches 10.
A C with 13,14 and 15 will have at least 80k salary, which will be even higher with a higher SB. This salary is reached at all star potential as well. We have a few C's with high SB in our database, one with 11-11-12-15(sb) get 45k salary and a guy with 4x 12 has 55k.
A guy with 20-12-7-7 or something is around 65k.

That's why I dont think a 50k salary C at the salary update will be at his cap.

for example, training speed has finally been lowered down to base. I've had 2 players not pop OD from 3 trainings this season.


I agree with this, my 18yo's are popping after 3,5 weeks (PF/C) on average at IS and ID, although they are a little small, around 2m.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 11/7/2008 6:07:23 PM

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56835.9 in reply to 56835.8
Date: 11/7/2008 6:25:13 PM
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I agree with this, my 18yo's are popping after 3,5 weeks (PF/C) on average at IS and ID, although they are a little small, around 2m.

This sounds ugly.

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