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FG % correlation to skill level

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Date: 1/4/2009 8:51:25 PM
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Does anybody have any data on this? I ask because my most skilled shooter, both in JS and JR, is currently shooting 37% from the floor and 27% from behind the arc. Not too good.

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Date: 1/4/2009 8:56:12 PM
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Does anybody have any data on this? I ask because my most skilled shooter, both in JS and JR, is currently shooting 37% from the floor and 27% from behind the arc. Not too good.

On its own, such correlation is not very relevant without knowing what type of defenders he's working against.

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Date: 1/5/2009 3:33:28 AM
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Both of those are good replies- thanks.

So what is odd is that my best shooter, skill-wise, shoots far worse than other players on my team who play the same positions so essentially against equal competition. And, he has by far the highest experience level among my guards.

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Date: 1/5/2009 11:40:40 AM
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If he plays more minutes then the backup, he might be tired and miss more.

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Date: 1/5/2009 8:33:16 PM
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His stamina is proficient and he averages 20-something minutes a game. Maybe he is due to go on an unbelievable hot streak.

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Date: 1/7/2009 10:35:53 AM
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i would say normaly good shooters, don't get much better % then weaker one, in the same team, but they shoot more often.

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Date: 1/7/2009 8:48:38 PM
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I don't think this is true, at least not for my team and not across the board. The number of shots taken in a game for me depends heavily on which offensive tactic I play. And for the most part, my good outside shooting guards have a higher % than my poor outside shooting guards, and my good inside shooting big men have better % than my poor inside shooting big men. I think that the player in question is having a bad year, which I assume is down to random factor, which is actually great because if a player eprformed tghe same every season it would be a little boring. Not great that my best player is sucking eggs, but great for the game, IMO.

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67309.9 in reply to 67309.8
Date: 1/8/2009 8:33:41 AM
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i find that my shooters even themselves out over time.. i had a couple of guys with slow starts .10-.25 FG% after a few games and now they are back up to more sensible levels relative to their JS/JR abilities.

Today highlighted for me how cold/hot streaks can effect a player. I had a matchup where I thought I would dominate the SF position and Fournet went 0-9 before finishing 4-13 whilst my SG stormed to 14-23 to compensate. My overall FG% was as expected and I can be grateful that at least one of my guards had his shooting boots on!

After checking again - he mustve been really cold. A French NT player in proficient form, enthusiasm higher than opponent going Crunch time shooting 0-9 against a $6k salary player (dont even try tell me his skillset is anywhere near) in average GS being told to CT with less enthusiasm..... I think thats pretty extreme.... but for the season he is still 0.40 / 0.30 overall...

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Date: 1/8/2009 12:03:21 PM
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Don't forget that all sample of players are pretty small. There aren't much games where your players did really take 100 shots each, so the variance might be huge if you use the match up ratings as an expected amout of points at 100 shots.

Apart from this, however, in my opinion the shot percentage is affected a lot by the 'hidden skill'. Maybe it's lame to use such a hidden skill for something I can't clarify, but I just find it very weird that my players don't really change their shooting percentages over time (apart from FT).
Trained or not trained, my center still shoots about the same percentage than 3 seasons ago, even slightly less, while I didn't promote or relegated for a few seasons. He was trained 3 seasons long without much %FG difference. One of my guards didn't recieve training for 2 seasons, and he still is shooting about the same percentage as 2 seasons ago, while the guards of the opponents were getting better every week.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/8/2009 12:03:38 PM

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67309.11 in reply to 67309.10
Date: 1/8/2009 12:11:12 PM
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One thing to note about the balance of scoring vs defense skills and its effect on shooting % is enthusiasm.

Increased enthusiam, IIRC from recent changes, still improves defense and rebouding, but has no effect on scoring. This would tip the balance toward defense if teams are building up high levels of enthusiasm.

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