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Now that I have my three players in place (sorry Mr. Matthews), I will keep a thread updating their progress to become elite small forwards. Hopefully this will help in understanding training better (although my inability to master giving a player 48 minutes in a game doesn't exactly help). So far:

Coach: Level 6
Trainings:
Week 1 - pg pressure: Braier (48 minutes) to respectable od, Fritzer (29 minutes)
Week 2 - pg pressure: Braier (46 minutes), Fritzer (48 minutes) to mediocre od

[Canada]
Point Guard
Chris Thomas (7972018)
Weekly salary: $ 4 121
DMI: 8900
Age: 18
Height: 6'2" / 188 cm
Potential: hall of famer
Game Shape: average

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: mediocre
Outside Def.: mediocre Handling: average
Driving: inept Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: mediocre Inside Def.: average
Rebounding: awful Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: average Free Throw: atrocious

Experience: atrocious

[Deutschland]
Point Guard
Roland Fritzer (8050573)
Weekly salary: $ 3 548
DMI: 23400
Age: 18
Height: 6'5" / 196 cm
Potential: all-time great
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: mediocre ↑ Handling: average
Driving: respectable Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: mediocre Inside Def.: inept
Rebounding: atrocious Shot Blocking: atrocious
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: inept

Experience: atrocious

[Deutschland]
Point Guard
Manfred Girlinger-Braier (8051448)
Weekly salary: $ 4 471
DMI: 12200
Age: 18
Height: 6'8" / 203 cm
Potential: hall of famer
Game Shape: respectable

Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: average
Driving: respectable Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: average Inside Def.: mediocre
Rebounding: awful Shot Blocking: inept
Stamina: inept Free Throw: inept

Experience: atrocious

I'll be interested in following the progress. Would it be fair to say you don't value rebounding too much on SFs at the moment?

the most important aspect that i considered was to find an initial position where they wouldn't be completely useless. thus od and passing were considered to be important (as pgs). in addition, i wanted as few atrocious and pitifuls as possible (shot blocking is not so important). just kind of random that all three had bad rebounding, but not so concerned since it improves quickly, especially when the other skills are high. as for rebounding and sf's in general, i used to play steinfurth often as a sf (tremendous rebounding) and his contribution never appeared to be that great to the team rebounding.

not thrilled about the atrocious ft shooting, but not tons of choices for canadian high potentials.

Hopefully the proposed changes to the game engine (boxing out) will make higher rebounding on a SF more desirable.

I will wait to see how the rebounding change works before changing anything.

Training results:
Coach: Level 6
Trainings:
Week 1 - pg pressure: Braier (48 minutes) to respectable od, Fritzer (29 minutes)
Week 2 - pg pressure: Braier (46 minutes), Fritzer (48 minutes) to mediocre od
Week 3 - pg pressure: Braier (46 minutes) to strong od, Fritzer (48 minutes), Thomas (46 minutes)

There seems to be some strange game logic that occurs with two minutes left in the game wherein Braier and Thomas are replaced (but not Fritzer) by another starter who has been resting the entire 4th quarter. It does not appear to be free throw related, nor likely stamina (Fritzer does have respectable while the others are slightly lower) - but I have no idea what it is. I will keep investigating.

Last edited by jbmcrock at 3/13/2009 11:50:20 AM

I'm curious... is there a priority list for these guys? In terms of training I mean.

Not really - they should all be able to train fruitfully. However, at the moment I am looking to ensure those with lower od get the 48 minutes because they are tending to foul out, which is throwing the training plans off. I am hoping that when Fritzer improves a bit more in od, he will refrain from committing 4 fouls in a span of about 5 minutes against a $4k guard.

Training results:
Coach: Level 6
Trainings:
Week 1 - pg pressure: Braier (48 minutes) to respectable od, Fritzer (29 minutes)
Week 2 - pg pressure: Braier (46 minutes), Fritzer (48 minutes) to mediocre od
Week 3 - pg pressure: Braier (46 minutes) to strong od, Fritzer (48 minutes), Thomas (46 minutes)
Week 4 - pg pressure: Braier (33 minutes), Fritzer (48 minutes) to average od, Thomas (48 minutes) to average od and respectable handling

Minutes were thrown off by Frtizer's decision to commit about 4 fouls in 5 minutes. Hopefully Fritzer and Thomas don't have the dreaded hidden "foul" trait.

Training results:
Coach: Level 6
Trainings:
Week 1 - pg pressure: Braier (48 minutes) to respectable od, Fritzer (29 minutes)
Week 2 - pg pressure: Braier (46 minutes), Fritzer (48 minutes) to mediocre od
Week 3 - pg pressure: Braier (46 minutes) to strong od, Fritzer (48 minutes), Thomas (46 minutes)
Week 4 - pg pressure: Braier (33 minutes), Fritzer (48 minutes) to average od, Thomas (48 minutes) to average od and respectable handling
Week 5 - pg pressure: Braier (48 minutes), Fritzer (48 minutes), Thomas (47.4 minutes) to respectable od

Only pop was the second od pop in a row for Thomas despite not playing a full 48 minutes this week - while two straight weeks without a pop from Braier. Maybe there is the secret in-country training bonus that Charles has neglected to mention? I imagine that height is probably the culprit.

After 5 weeks, I am quite surprised that there has been only one secondary pop. I am encouraged by Blacksword's training speed report on passing, seems that it is likely a good deal faster than od training.

What is your take on the importance of training passing? If Blacksword's report is right then it seems to have a better rate with the secondaries, but I am having a hard time justifying spending time on passing.

A season or two ago I significantly improved my PG passing through signings and I could not really detect a difference in team performance. I can take that as either a) there was no real improvement, or b) I have no real ability to detect the improvement.

Although perhaps it could be justified on the secondary pops alone.

I haven't noticed too many differences with passing other than a higher number of assists. That said, the highest I have currently is proficient, so it's hard to really know (I had a sensational ages ago, but can't really make any judgments since team level and competition are so different). In fact, back in season 5, I started several B3 games with three atrocious passers. I would assume that it helps improve looks, and with my team's low shooting percentage, am sure it can't hurt. Of course, the next time I train passing will be my first week ever doing so.

As far as the secondaries, Blacksword's data is insufficient to identify quicker secondary pops as he has not had players achieve multiple secondary pops yet.