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Hello guys...

I need some help.

First off all I hope people will take the time and look at the data provided. This doesnt belong in the oh my god how did i loose thread because that isnt the case. I won some games too. However, I have been struggeling big time and I cant figure out how this is possible and more importantly why. Some feedback and help would be very much appreciated.

So far the only conclussion I can make is that there is something seriously wrong with the game engine. Especially def ratings vs off ratings. Let me try and explain with some data from my last game. At half time I was down and out, where as there is no way possible I could have been that far behind. It doesnt matter I won in the end, and I have to stress out that a management game shouldnt become as predictable as hattrick has become, but I do expect to win more easily when I am that clearly better and if i am really alot better win with bigger margins too.

If you ask me how I get to the point that I am better than my opponents, I look at salaries, enthusiasm and game shape. I know this doesnt say everything, but I am training my guards extremely balanced and they are real crackers. How other guards score a higher % with a lot lower salary totally baffles me. The only thing I can imagine they outscore me is that they solo skill (JS) their guards and that the rest off guard skills are totally useless. Skills like JR, DR, etc I am still a believer that the game engine and this game cant be that simple minded so I will move away from this path now.

I will show a comparison of the line up off my teams and gausons team my opponent. Again, comparing them salary wise, since this should be a good indication as to how good a player is.

My PG and his PG
Alik Huberman (8152701) Weekly salary: $ 6 452 Moomins
Aidan Ó Coilean (5864596) Weekly salary: $ 23 549 Gausons

My SG and his SG
Cipriano Guardia (5927181) Weekly salary: $ 27 783 Moomins
Milivoj Kožar (2367263) Weekly salary: $ 9 950 Gausons

MY SF and his SF
Domingos Tavares (5891315) Weekly salary: $ 20 520 Moomins
Guillermo Ovalle (2234352) Weekly salary: $ 9 844 Gausons

My PF and his PF
Wu Yilong (2675293) Weekly salary: $ 57 400 Moomins
Arunas Kiliokaitis (2733099) Weekly salary: $ 29 365 Gausons

My C and his C
Maximilian Ebertz (4320981) Weekly salary: $ 15 257 Moomins
Julián Macchi (4200550) Weekly salary: $ 14 766 Gausons


Ok, here come my question. How on earth can he have a strong IS rating? How can my PF only score 10 out of 28 when he is much better than the other PF and C together and when he has a 50% shooting % last season? My PF has triple inside shooting. He played look inside, so he gets bonuses i understand, but my PF has tremendous ID and my C has respectable ID. Not the best, but it doesnt explain his strong IS either. On top off that his Outside shooting is inept, he scored 1 out off 20. How on earth can that be inept?

Not just this game i got hammered scoring wise, but also previous games this season. My enthusiasm is quite high and game shape isnt worse than this or my last opponent either.

My opponents didnt buy stronger players. Enthusiasm and game shape arent as high towards end off last season but have look at the stats for Wu Yilong my best player.How can he get a 3 as rating in the game played on the 11th of june and shoot 10 out of 28 last night against inferiour players and have a 0.393% average?

season 8 averages
31mins 0.536% 0.25% 0.712% 3.5 or 13.3 tr 0.0 ast 0.9 to 0.9 stl 1.1 blck 1.2 pf 15.5 pts 12.5 rating SEASON AVG

season 9 games so far
Game MIN FG 3FG FT OR TR AST TO STL BLK PF PTS Rating Game Type
6/16/2009 48 10-28 0-5 2-2 1 16 0 1 1 3 2 22 10.5
6/13/2009 37 11-19 1-1 2-5 5 14 0 1 1 0 2 25 11.5
6/11/2009 36 2-9 0-3 6-6 2 10 0 2 0 5 4 10 3.0
6/6/2009 38 3-14 1-1 0-0 2 12 0 0 1 0 0 7 10.0
6/5/2009 35 18-25 0-2 0-0 9 19 0 2 0 2 0 36 11.0
6/4/2009 34 10-19 0-2 4-6 5 24 0 0 1 0 1 24 12.0



Last edited by Astragoth at 6/17/2009 5:23:38 AM

Maybe you should read Game Engine section from Rules. Game Engine is far more complicated, than you may think.

not trying to be sarcastic but thanks alot for answering my numerous questions in my post. and i have read the rules numerous times.

You won the game in the end, right?

did you read my full post at all? this isnt a thread about whether i won or lost. I am not angry, sad or upset. I want to try and understand the game better and learn. why does my PF with tremendous IS suddenly shoot 0.39% this season instead off 0.5% last season. How my opponent can get strong IS. when he isnt superiour than my team. and all the other questions I asked in my post because I am trying to understand the game and learn.

thanks again for reading my full post and trying to help me understood the questions i have

I have looked at your game.
You have 3 players that played all 48 minutes. You have 1 player playing 46 minutes and one 36 minutes. Players get tired and doesn't perform as well as if they got some breaks.
If you look at gauson's last 3 games you can see the other teams tried harder than him. This probably means he has alot of enthusiasm this increases his performance. His tactic was look inside this increases his rating for inside shooting.
I hope this can help you understand the ratings better.

I read full of your post, and I am glad to see, that your trying to learn, though I really can not see why your trying that. Anyway, You can`t learn whole of the game, even when BBs would explain you that. I am not watched your games, but to your question, there may be several answers. For example: Opponents had good mood, cause they won last game, you choosed wrong tactic, different enthusiasms, there were some changes in your team recently, what made your players more effective/uneffective, less audience(also if 0.5% was in home games, but the 0.39% was in away game), and then the random factor(if there is it). There are more of these factors, but I just don`t know more.

Hopefully that helped.

the wages arent everything. a lower wage doesnot necessarily make a player worse in each category. actually as much the player is all around, wage goes down for same level of attributes. so maybe his players are trained for one specific attribute and it didnot boost the wages. it is possible. even more, may be those players are stronger against you, if you are vulnerable to their strenghts.

of course this may not be the case, the game is just random sometimes. also game engine tends to create some action, entertainment.

perhaps that is the case, but than i would like to know. I want to become the best manager or close to that and not to gamble whether I win or not. If i want to feel lucky and win something i go play the lottery. It could be you are right his players are single attributed players. but from what I have seen on the transfer market, shouldnt the salary be higher than? because single skilled trained players with extreme high ratings have extreme high salaries? or does this only work for forwards?

i know all these things. and yes these things do matter but that is why i posted this message. My 0.39% was in my last nights home game. The defence or offence wasnt wrong. I would be the first to admit that when I picked the wrong one. That is why I said in the first line to read my whole post and that i needed some serious help. I know all the random things that can influence the game. I have lost in the past before and I could explain why. This season I loose and I cant explain it. Not following any off the reasons you gave me.

I didnt ask for someone to explain me the full game engine, and yeah there is some randomness towards the game engine, but why play a management game and train players for years and years for the game to be still a lottery whether you win a game or not? playing the lottery is alot easier and takes alot less time trust me...

yes you are spot on. My players played too many minutes, but I won the game in the last 2 quarters after being many points behind at half time? So how could fatigue be a factor?

I tied a few games this season too. I mentioned in my post I think that I am fully aware that his enthusiasm could have been better, but he CTed (i think) too early in the season and only possibly once or twice TIEed more than I did and I didnt CTed. So his enthusiasm couldnt have been much better than mine and what happened to home court advantage?

IMO and with my knowledge, the salaries he has dont add up to a 60% IS the first 2 quarters. Especially knowing I have a tremendous ID guy and a respectable ID guy. For our league that is quite decent.