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112356.10 in reply to 112356.9
Date: 9/19/2009 3:14:32 PM
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we have discussed retuning some of the team ratings to better reflect the changes to the GE, so i suppose the game ratings could also be considered, though in thinking about handling in particular i'm not sure how to add it, in a way consistent with the way we add in other components.

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112356.11 in reply to 112356.2
Date: 9/19/2009 10:22:07 PM
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I have the feeling, that the position 4 and 5 have been touched a lot by these changes: many turnovers because of low handling/passing. Is that correct?

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112356.12 in reply to 112356.11
Date: 9/19/2009 10:26:14 PM
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the effect of low handling/passing is weighted toward the guards, so having good handling/passing at forward/center will help but not as much as the guards.

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112356.13 in reply to 112356.12
Date: 9/24/2009 9:46:19 PM
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Do inside men with high OD force more turnovers from the opposing big men with low handling and passing skills?

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112356.14 in reply to 112356.13
Date: 9/24/2009 9:56:52 PM
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more than if they had low OD?

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112356.15 in reply to 112356.14
Date: 9/24/2009 10:14:07 PM
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yeah, I'm trying figure out if it's worth pursuing inside men with decent OD...just want to see if I can't afford to buy a big guy with high ID maybe I can pay less for a big guy with decent OD and ID and maybe he'll be able to force a TO instead of a missed shot...

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112356.16 in reply to 112356.14
Date: 9/25/2009 1:02:38 AM
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Hi there,

I already noticed the games of Patje, since i am in his league, and therfore found out that his inside man didnt make that many shots anymore..since GM-PAtje opened this topic, i followed/checked his games a little bit with extra more attention. Because i noticed a big drop of shots by his inside man, i played a Low Post myself yesterday in the cup. And i didnt like what i saw..

My 110k PF and 56 K C played against a 4 and 5k salary PF/C. My 110k star only shot 7 balls, my pg shot 1 out of 10 (oh my..) I played with 2 PG's on PG and SG pos and they do have quite some handling/passing, i asume more than the guards of Patjebono..I was wondering how this can happen. Because i thought the problem in Patjebono's team was a shortcoming in handling/passing, but now it happend also in my team, i cant figure out what the te real problem is..

Is this just 1 game, do i need a bigger sample, or can you point out a reason why my inside man didnt take over the game?

Here is the match im talking about: (17466581)

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112356.17 in reply to 112356.16
Date: 9/25/2009 1:06:17 AM
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it looks like normally he shoots more than he did this game, sometimes people have off games, doesn't look systematic to me.

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112356.18 in reply to 112356.17
Date: 10/6/2009 4:18:45 PM
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Forrest, can I ask you if you are happy with the balance, with the new game engine, between inside and outside offenses? To me it looks pretty much unbalanced in favor of the latter, but I would appreciate if you could share some data you may have.

To add a couple of considerations to my point:
- one problem could be the low offensive flow of most teams playing inside offenses, which is something I guess managers should work on.
- another problem is with the 3-2 defense, which seems much less effective against outside offenses, in terms of shooting percentage, than with the old game engine.

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112356.19 in reply to 112356.18
Date: 10/6/2009 4:32:05 PM
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- another problem is with the 3-2 defense, which seems much less effective against outside offenses, in terms of shooting percentage, than with the old game engine.

I agree with this observation, though I suspect some of this might come from using PFs at SF and Cs at PF (read: crappy OD)

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112356.20 in reply to 112356.18
Date: 10/6/2009 6:20:40 PM
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i don't think i can comment that specifically without setting off a wave of speculation that something will be changed, and I don't feel like i have nearly enough information to make such a pronouncement.

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