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first of all, I am wondering why a foreigner is following our debates about NT. but nevertheless, feel welcome.

I'm just following your debates for fun =). Like I do in countries in which I understand the language =P. Plus, I want to get more involve in BuzzerBeater and contribute to its development. And IMHO, chatting/posting/writing, whatever you call this, is a good way to create a pleasant atmosphere in the game.Thanks for welcoming me though.

It's interesting to see the behavior and habit of each country. So here, like elsewhere I have to admit, depending on the nickname you choose, you get more chances than others to win the election.

I'd alos like to point out that K.O.-ing opponents might help you get your title, but won't help you get help from fellow candidates. I believe that every candidate has at least some motivation, and it might be good to involve them into the NT, rather then knock them out cold. a Country can never have enough motivated people who are doing their best for the NT.

NT coaches burn up, due to the amount of work, and at that time it is good to have a good replacememtn who already knows how things work and has some inside info on the NT. So gather everyone interested I'd say.

That's true! I completely agree. But there are some profiles that you can determine easier than others. Most candidates don't really want to get involve in a NT if not elected... Rare of the ones that wants so, and generally, they are easily identifiable. So I kind of understand the fact why Revo knocked him out so quickly. Even though it would have been better to go easy on him.

I think an important issue is for NT players to have club stability, not being transferred every other week. That's why I think NT staff has to work together with club owners to ensure the skills and salaries of the players make sense both for the NT and the club. I also think it could help the versatility of the NT, with a wider array of usable tactics to beat difficult opponents.
With that in mind, I'd like candidates to answer a couple of questions.

What emphasis do you put on non-primary skills?
If you have been involved in the program in the past, can you give me an example of not selecting the player with the highest salary, providing their skills if possible? Answer hypothetically if you have never been involved with the NT yet.

Well it seems that it's best if I made a little speech! =D
I'm not going to brag about my great achievements, because I haven't played at a high level...
But I do got one cup-final under my belt...
I've been playing this game for quite some time and I think it's time for something new... Because competition games can get quite boring from time to time!
There's not much I can say about our current NT except for the fact that results just should be better...

Greetz
Laurens

How about a speach in the speach thread?
(169023.1)

Ah well...
To tired to notice.. My bad

I have the capabillities of speaking french, enlish, german, ducth, and etc. If needed. There will be no barrier.

Hands down you knocked me out and I aprecciate a candidate like u.

As for experience I wish to increase it through the team. I have looked over many of the players stats and know their strong points, what positions they play and quality on the floor.

Pleaz do not single me out bcause I am less experienced. At least I made an attempt compared to candidates who didn't write speeches.

Enjoy victory whoever wins. I wish LA-Revo and other candidates best of luck

I think an important issue is for NT players to have club stability, not being transferred every other week. That's why I think NT staff has to work together with club owners to ensure the skills and salaries of the players make sense both for the NT and the club. I also think it could help the versatility of the NT, with a wider array of usable tactics to beat difficult opponents.
With that in mind, I'd like candidates to answer a couple of questions.

What emphasis do you put on non-primary skills?
If you have been involved in the program in the past, can you give me an example of not selecting the player with the highest salary, providing their skills if possible? Answer hypothetically if you have never been involved with the NT yet.

well, to answer your non primary skills:

advtange of having good secundairies: it can help in other area's: for example. and SG with rebounding could be interesting. especially if he has a bitt of ID aswell, then you could play him as a SF and have a great shooting advantage. disadvantage in that case would be that you give up a bitt in inside defense and rebounding.

disadvantage of having good secundairies:
well their are a few infact:
1) it means that you'll hit your cap sooner ( especially for players with potential such as perenial allstar and superstar, it will mean that you'll have less room to put your skills into)
2) when you trian player to a high lvl, then it means that those secundairies, which you won't always use in the best possible way, will be adding alot of salary to your player.

example: you have 2 SG's

SG 1:
JS 18 JR 11
OD 17 HA 10
DR 12 PA 10
IS 1 ID 1
RB 1 SB 1
ST 7 FT 7
XP 3

SG 2:
JS 18 JR 11
OD 17 HA 10
DR 12 PA 10
IS 1 ID 7
RB 7 SB 1
ST 7 FT 7
XP 3

first SG will cost you $93676 a week ( according to HOW8 BB salary calculator) where as the second one will cost you $136736. for the NT, the second one is more interesting, but it means that the club needs to pay 40k per week more for that player for skills it will most likely never even make use of.

If you have been involved in the program in the past, can you give me an example of not selecting the player with the highest salary, providing their skills if possible? Answer hypothetically if you have never been involved with the NT yet.

for the providing skills part. i hope you don't mind, but as a NT coach, the managers wouldn't like you showing off the skills of their player on the forum. When being a NT coach, you are supposed to keep the skillset of the player to yourself, and not to share em around. Theirfor, even tho i'd love to show you an example, it would mean giving someone else info over a player that you might face, and theirfor i won't show anyone. what i can show you is this:

this player: (2597824) has been on BB for a while. yet he has never been selected into the NT. Why? he's got 62k salary, which is the highest salary for a belgian SF at this current point. but he's only got some jumpshot and jumprange. he hasn't got alot of outside defence, neither does he have alot of inside defence. players such as (9438514) and (9440316) might have less salary, but they are way better defenders, and their shooting is almost as good.

i hope that answers your question.

LA-Revo

ps: do note that those in the NT now aren't the actual selection. i just need to update the whole database, and i'll be continuing the update soon during the weekend, after which, in the event that i'd be re-elected, i'll be reselecting the actual NT players right after the weekend.

first of all, I am wondering why a foreigner is following our debates about NT. but nevertheless, feel welcome. :)

then: a lot of users do not use forums. yet they can still vote. In this case a tag indeed helps, but what is best is a splendid name. lekkerdingzonderstring for instance. ;)

I'd alos like to point out that K.O.-ing opponents might help you get your title, but won't help you get help from fellow candidates. I believe that every candidate has at least some motivation, and it might be good to involve them into the NT, rather then knock them out cold. a Country can never have enough motivated people who are doing their best for the NT.

NT coaches burn up, due to the amount of work, and at that time it is good to have a good replacememtn who already knows how things work and has some inside info on the NT. So gather everyone interested I'd say. :)

i've got 2 guy's willing to help out next season. one is from belgium (Garrus, but he's got exams right now) and one is from portugal. i know it's alot of work, so i did look for some help, and i have found some :D

There's not much I can say about our current NT except for the fact that results just should be better...

Greetz
Laurens

well, as i said in my speech, we had some bad luck, and we have some problems in the NT which should be adresses. you can't expect a little BB nation like us, who hasn't got a single C that has more than 200k salary, to go up against NT teams who have got 400k salary on most of their C's, and win it. you won't win it by attacking inside anyhow... Our NT has it's limites and the pool of players to select has grown in the past 2 seasons, yet it's nowhere near what the Dutch (Netherlands) The French, the Italian, the Spanish or the Germans have.

looking at the upcomming european quallifier, i think we should be able to end 4th, maybe 3rd. The calender doesn't allow us to have a shot at the second spot, yet, if we are lucky that some other team beats Slovenko (and we don't face any uncalled CT's allong the way) then we might just be able to slip into that second slot. But it's a long shot. Last season, i tried to take advantage of HCA by going normal agains the germans, after the favorable outcome in season 13 against them, yet i ended up paying cash for it because UAE ended up Cting us... Sometimes you have to take your chances, and did what i though would pay off most. If you look at last season, all games were rather close losses after the frist 2 games. Bulgaria won by 3 points from us. Venezuela by 6, but it was a close match till the end. Island won by 10, but that got ballooned due to all the fauls the players were making without making a single 3 point shot at the end. At Against the Netherlands, well, we didn't have a chance to win their, because their NT much better than ours.

Though luck last season for me, results weren't as good as i would have liked it, but that is about everything that you can hold against me. in season 13, i did decent, and each time a season is over, i let go of some NT players, and call up some U21 futur players, to keep motivating their manager to train theri players. Ofcourse we'll lose some games while having lesser players on the NT, but scrimmages hardly have any influence on the NT rankings, so win or loss doesn't matter their.

Also, by removing players from NT after your competitive games are over, then you lose enthousiasme. so basically, each scrimmage played is one played where the enthousiasme equals 1. makes it hard to win anything at that point. I play to win during the competitive games. after those are over, i select people to motivate their manager to continue the training, hoping that i (or another NT manager) will be able to select em in the futur once they are fully trained.

Last edited by AthrunZala at 1/15/2011 6:13:43 AM

I think an important issue is for NT players to have club stability, not being transferred every other week. That's why I think NT staff has to work together with club owners to ensure the skills and salaries of the players make sense both for the NT and the club. I also think it could help the versatility of the NT, with a wider array of usable tactics to beat difficult opponents.
With that in mind, I'd like candidates to answer a couple of questions.

forgot to answer a part of your question i see.

When i know that a manager of a NT player is trying to transfer his player, i always try to find another team to take in the player before he is put on the TL, to avoid seeing him on the TL all the time. however, it is often hard to find a team to move a player to straight away.

for example: Dunker Joe, the previous trainer of Jean Guillaume Hupez (10810633) made it very clear that he would be selling his Guard at the end of season 14. Thus, i had contacted a few managers, of which SuperSonics, since i know that he trains SG's, asking them to put some cash aside, so that they can buy the player and continue his training.

However, it is rare that a manager tells me a season in advance that he wants to sell his NT player. usually, he just puts it on the TL without giving a notice, or ( and now i'm referring to SG De Patoul (6837925) the coach had contacted me, asking me to find some guy's to take him over. His original message was, i'm selling De Patoul for less than 4M. I had 2 guy's who wanted to take De Patoul over for less than 4M, but he then ends up putting him at 4.6M on the TL, a price that neither manager wanted to pay, and they just went on to buy other SG's...)

So i do try to move NT players into clubs which can pay their salary without any problem, but the club needs to have cash to buy such a player, and they need room in their team too. sometimes, they need to sell another player in order to have the cash. And teams can't wait forever, so you often need to be lucky to find someone to take the player over right away...

anyhow, i'm forseeing 1 C (possibly a second one too) that should end up getting on the TL soon, and i have already put out word with the managers of who i know can
1) afford to pay their salary
2) could possibly continue their training.

it's useless to ask a IV or a III team to take on the salary of a 170 000 or even more expensive C, cause that will just kill their economy, which isn't something that i want to see as NT manager, since that often means the club will sell of other players, and thus, need to let his NT player play more games, resulting in a decrease of GS, nor do i want to see it as fellow manager, cause it's no fun if you have to rebuild your team because of one player that is draining your entire economy.

So moving players is hard, especially since, according to BB forum rules, you are not allowed to advertise for a player before he gets on the TL. All i can do is inform if a team wishes to take in a player of the NT. Moving NT players around is a very hard and delicate subject, which as LA, i have to use extra causion, cause i'm supposed to know the rules better than most of you (being on the BB staff also has it's disadvantages. much less room or errors)

hope that answered that part of the question.

LA-Revo

Depends what position you are talking about. Driving is one of the most important non-primary skills in the game.

For a SF, PG of PF, this can lead to many layups and alleys for the center to catch. I don't believe in a player having a 18 Js, 15 Jr and that's the only stats he has. A center shot blocking is important until when you get to prominent, then I don't like to have higher.

I like a sf that can shoot outside and inside, and can defend both. I like a center who can show defense and shooting instead of just rebound after rebound.

As for the second question I have to answer hypothetically. Some of the greatest player are only 60K, but someone else has 100K. Why is the 60K better? Well as a rookie many people train PG, SG, and SF in Js and Jr, while C and PF in Rebounding. I believe in more balanced players where they have all of the first and secondary stats 10 and up, instead of having just two.

My team I have had chances to bid on high players in Js, but I chose not too because they weren't balanced. I hope this answers your question.

Wyatt, I'm not sure you noticed but you are no longer in the running. If you do know, and you stil want to debate to convince people you are the right candidate, go ahead, just know they can't vote for you anymore.

as for this

but it means that the club needs to pay 40k per week more for that player for skills it will most likely never even make use of.

whaaaaa!!!!!?!

If anyone needs an explanation, they need a lot to learn, but I'll give it, as else they might not learn.

Sorry Revo, but it looks like you are trying to convince me of not voting for you. ;þ