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yes but that haven't to do with experienced

while experience influences his shot selection i think it's all about experience. when he will have low experience, he will for example make a bad pass, or decides to driblle a bit and turns the ball. while with a higher experience he would not make those bad decisions.

Last edited by Rycka at 4/27/2011 6:28:25 AM

I cannot back this up with huge data, just with "that kind of feeling", but on a team with all JS 14 / 15 and similar JR on the 1,2,3 positions, there are still huge differences in the amount of shots taken.

You can of course argue that it depends on the offense type and the opponents strategy and skills which player takes the shot, yet I cannot fight the feeling that certain players tend to take shots more likely than others, pointing at a "secret / hidden" skill of some kind.

I don´t think it´s the pure skill set - of course seen in context with strategy, teamskills and opponent - that determines how willing a player is to take a shot, but also that some players just have that tendency to "shoot more". Very much the same as it is with the agressiveness thingy.

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 4/27/2011 6:43:56 AM

Don't forget that "similar" skillsets are not the same skillsets. Take the following two players.

P1
Jump Shot: sensational Jump Range: proficient
Outside Def.: sensational Handling: sensational
Driving: prolific Passing: prominent


P2
Jump Shot: sensational Jump Range: prolific
Outside Def.: sensational Handling: sensational
Driving: sensational Passing: proficient

You could easily look at those two guys and say they are about the same but I would think player two would take a lot more shots than player one. This becomes even more difficult to work out when you are dealing with players on other teams.

I also have a strong feeling that some stat of that kind exists, I've had a couple PGs who would shoot 15~20 times a game even when they were not the best shooters and/or playing LI

I think that the willingness to shoot in a player is determined mostly by the driving skill.
A player with high driving will take better shots than a guy who's not good at making space for himself to shoot, so he's more likely to shoot the ball.
It happens in real basketball, and to me is the best explanation.
Of course the shooting skills are important (a guard with low JR won't take many 3s, especially if using LI or low post), but I think that the driving skill is the most improtant in determining the player's willingness to shoot.
Anyway there are too many things to consider when talking about this: offensive scheme, PG's passing skill, driving, defender's OD\ID skill, defensive scheme, player's passing ability (if a guy can't pass the ball he's more likely to shoot it... watch this player of mine (9278837), he aint got a high DR skill, but his passing is really low, so he takes a lot of shots... he's a good shooter so he often makes them though).

hidden attribute -
1. big time performer - some player appear to preform better/ worse in cup and playoff games(may also be due to strength of opponent)
2. self-confidence - its more like form , when a player get a good game, he tend to maintain it. whereas a bad shooting game carry a little over to the next game. for example, my mvp got a good start last season, and he kept it though out the season, whereas this year he still haven't break out.

experience
i think is more relate to a player choosing what to do when he have the ball. The 3 basic action in basketball, or in this game is passing, shooting & driving. passing have 4 option(teammate) to pass to, driving have left or right or how u layup, shooting have difficult fadeaway, power in, bank in, hook shot, off screen quick relase...
A player's skill set allow the action to preform, but the experience allow the player to have a better estimate of each actions successful rate, or eliminate those low successful rate beforehand

this is the actual quote from bbcharles about hidden attributes

2. Players do have a hidden personality that you will discover as they play, and a part of this is that some players prefer more physical play than others. More physical players will tend to both draw and commit more fouls.

"a part of this" - this means that there is more that is hidden than just the physical attribute

what else i have no idea, but i am part of a LONG and HUGE game shape study and some players seem to like a lot more minutes than others for good GS...

Yeah, I have had that idea aswell. How about the concept of being able to invest some of your own scouting points to gain a little insight about your players? I think it´s a bit strange that you cannot get any detail about their "hidden" stuff beside pure speculation.