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186068.10 in reply to 186068.1
Date: 5/29/2011 4:59:30 AM
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I would give him another two weeks of passing and then 1 on 1 F's for 3 weeks. and then sell him to me for 1.85 million
BTW.. 1 on 1 F's will train JS and IS

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186068.11 in reply to 186068.10
Date: 5/29/2011 11:00:28 AM
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How will his height affect the speed of his training for 1 on 1 F's.

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186068.12 in reply to 186068.11
Date: 5/29/2011 2:13:41 PM
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1st thing I would do is look through the people giving you advice and find the most successful of those and listen to their advice. That being said I will start by saying I am loving the looks of this prospect. You training OD up to trem is great nothing beats great D. Like was stated earlier I would train passing until it is where you want it, whether that is for the rest of the season or not is up to you and where you want his passing to end up.

You can either then train one on one for forwards (height wont effect the training speed here) or and there are 2 schools of thought here train either JR or JS to where you want it then train the other. IF you train JS up to tremendous then train JR you might get the elastic effect going and that might train Jr faster but then again he might be a year older at that point and his training has slowed to where the difference wont be that much.

Saying all your Sg primaries are around tremendous you are gonna have a Sg in the neighborhood of 40 to 55k ( just guessing at price here so dont shoot me) . This will be a really good Div 3 SG.

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186068.13 in reply to 186068.12
Date: 5/29/2011 2:42:31 PM
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You have a great prospect there. I would do passing to proficient and then 1 full season or even more of one on one for forwards. This should increase his JS to nice level, Driving and Handling should be awesome (stop training one on one when there are at the levels you want them to be). JS should also train quite fast with this trainng, and even more importantly Inisde shot. I think Inside shot is underrated and it can be very effective for guards. Get it to average- respectable and you are good to go. Then do some outside shooting (JR and some secondary pops on JS). All of this should make him pretty balanced player at the start of the season in which he is 22. Then you have 2 more seasons to finish him off.

Look at his salary and if you can afford more. If yes then its up to you what to increase (OD for sure and other guard skills if you can afford it). If not then i would train ID to respectable and leave him as he is.

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186068.14 in reply to 186068.13
Date: 5/29/2011 3:19:10 PM
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Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate it.

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186068.15 in reply to 186068.11
Date: 5/30/2011 5:43:15 AM
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take it from me 1 on 1 for forwards makes things harder for you to compete on court especially when your trainees are shaped like PG or SG rather than SF or bigger. You might be fine in your league, but for me it made a real difference. You also get to train 2 positions when you do this so its always handy to have some other guys in your team who can benefit from this aside frm your top 3 trainees.

I'd be tempted to increase his IS once (to mop up any partial level he has right now) but each extra IS pop would take about 8 weeks doing 1on1 for forwards at his age. and in this time his JS wont be going up as fast as if you trained 1on1 for guards.

if you have aspirations for u21 (or just having an awesome player) he'll certainly need more OD whatever the rest of his skillset is so you should plan ahead for this.

at 7 / 7 for JS and JR, if you want him to be a real SG by the time you finish training him you will probably need to train some JR at some point as well as a mega lot of JS. I would only train JR if you see the JS/JR growing too wide for comfort. If you train JS specifically, JR is trained as a secondary skill.

The level of JS/JR is down to preference and managers will differ on their opinions but mine would be for a JR that finishes around 12 and a JS at whatever you like and can afford. JR at 13+ starts gettng increasingly expensive and i doubt its value for money compared to other skill pops you might want to see on him.

Overall i would try to balance his development in his guard skills leading with his OD and then JS. 1 position passing is nice too up to your goal for him then you can see his handling and driving improve as secondaries too.

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186068.16 in reply to 186068.15
Date: 5/30/2011 1:43:37 PM
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So, he will train slower doing 1 on 1 forwards? 1 on 1 forwards trains Driving, Handling, JS, and IS and that would definitely help my guy where I could train JR at a later date. I feel like if the training speed analysis is accurate I could really benefit from doing 1 on 1 forwards because Driving and Handling are important as well. Are you suggesting I just train JS, OD and JR from here on out?

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186068.17 in reply to 186068.16
Date: 5/30/2011 7:20:15 PM
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i havent got my training speed notes with me but two dfferences between jumpshot and 1on1 training are that jumpshot does JS more quickly and does JR, where as 1 on1 doesnt do JR but does do IS slowly.

so if you want a cheeky pop or two on IS you really should do 1on1 for forwards, then see where your js is and go from there. bear in mind an IS pop could take around 8 weeks if he has no sublevel there already.
so if you can imagine a season of 1on1 for forwards would increase your js a fair bit, leaving jr where it is.

all i was saying that aiming for 1 IS pop might not take long at all, then you can get to training other than 1on1 for forwards.

what you could do is note down the skillset you want for him at the end and work out how to get there.
i downloaded a spreadsheet file that can help to do this (think it was coachparrot on help bb programs thread)

you may find the mix of skills you want requires some weeks of most of the outside skill training choices.
i only mentioned those 3 skills from my own experience. and js and jr ive trained in different ways to suit what i need.

ive read back over the other posts and there is some good advice in there with common themes to draw on