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Just a quick example;

Imagine there is a ranking system for the goals scored in the football(golden boot)

For me it's not the same to score 30 goals in the premier league or in the spanish league than doing it on the dutch league or in the swiss leagues.

Could you please stop posting? You are trying to hijack every thread I post in, while failing to understand what the threads are really about.
It's about ranking in country, not international ranking. Obviously a div III team in Spain can be higher ranked than a div I team in Bahamas. But a div III team in Spain can not be higher ranked than a div I team in Spain.
Creating this country system, while keeping the international system in check is prolly complex.

Why not? If the divIII did an awesome run on the Cup he deserve it.

yes but in your case it would be an example to say, look at my league we play more salarys then in the spanish top division thats why we should have the chanche to be ranked higher then those teams through great cup performances.
It is not like i pay higher salarys then team X in another country, because his sugestion target the ranking inside an country.

But i voted for the current system, we have team who play to formulate it positiv very cost efficient in our premier league all the time and they are strong teams in bottom division who maybe show they strength in constant long runs in the cup. That is also a qualification for a team, and maybe a div 4 team will win the german cup, could i really say it is max the number 81 team in germany?

And div 1 games, aleady count a lot more then div II or III games for the ranking, i had several bad cup runs but was still ranked pretty hgh because i mostly perform good in the league.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 7/31/2011 1:49:57 PM

Howcome You don't get that this thread is not about the salary at all? it's just that the Cup is a lottery, league is not. You know the schedule of your league but you never know who you will meet in a cup. So if a team who makes a great cup run against weaker teams but he loses in the league, then he can't be ranked higher than someone, who is leading his league (for excample)..

Cup is not lottery at all.

So if a team who makes a great cup run against weaker teams but he loses in the league, then he can't be ranked higher than someone, who is leading his league (for excample)..

Not true.

3 teams from div III were in the best 16 teams of Spain(last season).

1 finished in 5th position( good because he doesn't pay salaries)
The other promoted to div II
The last one finished in 2n position in his league.

(You can find more data, but most of the times that some Div III arrived to late stages of the cup normally they ended playing the play-off)

And as Crazyeye said, div1 teams get lot of points when they win matchs on their league.



Last edited by Marot at 7/31/2011 2:19:15 PM

There is a LOT of ways to win in a cup, i wont argue with that but it doesnt make it less lottery than it is. And thats what makes it interesting but it shouldnt have such big influence on your in country ranking.

It would help to give precise examples of what you think is wrong with the rankings.

I have had a look at Kõrgliiga. All teams are ranked in the top 20 safe 2.
One is ranked 22. Probably in part because they have lost to a D.IV team in round 1 of the last season's tournament. Pretty big upset. I see no problem the team loses a bit of ranking. And it's not a huge hit.
The second one is yours, ranked 24. You have just been promoted. If you do mildly well, your ranking will rise because you play better ranked team. If you get smashed by everyone, you may not get to top 20 and I think it's fair because that would show you are not a top level team yet, maybe not stronger than some D.II teams.

In the case of lower leagues, it's difficult to judge because leagues at the same level might be more or less competitive. Some girls are bigger than others... ah ah ah some D.II are bigger than others... sorry, I got the radio on :p
It's solved by using the rank of each opponent to determine the value of the win/loss, it's a dynamic system. Large/narrow wins are taken into account I think (or large/narrow losses).
It's always going to be difficult to compare teams competing in different leagues and which are never matched against each other but I think the current system does a decent job at that.

So please, find actual examples of flaws that we can discuss to better the ranking system.
There are some rankings far off sometimes. Mine, at the moment, is vastly inflated but I expect it to collapse quickly during the course of the season. It will correct itself with time.

You don't mind the 60/70+ points losses in league games, do you ?

It's like 4th vs 5th or 5th vs 6th discussions, users don't want to understand they are punished in the long term despite being told so.

The ranking is not so bad atm (start of the season). Zapiivo is actually 24 and I am 22, but that is beside the point. I remember rankings being scewed last season. So we need to wait a bit.