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Defense bonus and bonus for boring setplay? Is this really was allstar voting are about?

I didnt see ben wallace in the asd, i did see players like blake griffin domniate the vote while players like nowitzky are lucky that there is a coach choiche. I even see yao ming lected without even playing, and many houston players get vote because they play in a popular team (in china)

Thats asd guys with impressive stats and highlight reels get voted not necessary the best players.

Definitely, all star doesn't mean best players (vince carter, hey, we are talking about you) but the fans most like to see.-

But in that case, wouldn't the higher scoring player have an advantage in voting? The more important issue is that often times in this game, the MVP award follows in the footsteps of the allstar game. Last season Jarvis was snubbed for Amidani and guess who won MVP? The problem here is that the MVP vote seems to follow the trend of the allstar vote in the BB world, which puts additional weight in the matter.

Wouldn't it also make more sense that the player with all the crazy dunks and insane shots would be the one getting the allstar vote and not the team distributor? If it really is about all the highlights than the bigger scoring, better shooting player would get all the votes which is still not the case. This leaves the allstar situation in a state of purgatory as it does somehow hold weight in mvp vote (as the trend of allstars becoming mvps indicates), but at the same time, being true to the spirit of the allstar game would involve grabbing the better scoring, more reckless players, rather than all around players regard stats and performance.

Also, I didn't necessarily mention any bonus for 'boring set play' since most teams generally work best with only a few different offenses, I feel that the stats can be misleading without the play as a consideration. This was in regard to the comments that suggested that Jarvis was not as good as the Gs and SFs in his conference and not that the play should be a criteria for allstar selection. Though I do feel that for MVP and allstar consideration adjusted (per 100 possession) stats should be employed for voting as picking the player with more stats per possession would ensure that the allstar game would have better highlight reel scoring and that the mvp would not be lost due to buffed up stat stuffing due to the faster play of some teams.

at least for me, normally the Passing PG makes more highlight then the shooting PG - because jumpshot ain't normally highlight material and guards mostly score like that.

The PG i like to watch most is Jasekevicius(even when i probadly write his name wrong), who nearly every game makes one or two incredible passes, ok he also have a very nice Jumpshot but besides his scoring madness against the US team i don't remember them.

And i believe we already had MVP who didn't participate in ASD, personally the voting isn't really similiar. Even when there are MVP voters who value stats higher then others, i believe there was a election with grubbs from BB Charles who showed this disparity a lot.

Edit: this one:http://www.buzzerbeater.com/league/1/overview.aspx?season...

also check out this comment: (189413.1)

Last edited by CrazyEye at 9/13/2011 3:48:42 PM

that SF never beats me. my SF has 13 OD, 10 ID, 10 IS, and many more skills including JS at 12 and JR at 10. he has the stats that he has with only 5 GS the whole season (thats going to imporve during the second half of the season for sure.) and thats pretty dam good for his GS.

Well who doesnt want to see more scoring. So rajon rondo is a much better passing PG. but to no ones surprise, Drose is more popular. This is because he gets more points. also, one thing that they could have done is have Carlson play sg or even SF. Those are actually his better positions. The only reason why I play him at PG so much is because of training.

I guess I cant complain about the voting I have 4 out of 5 starters and the back-up PF. I dont think that is fair for the other teams either though.

I got 6 players in the ASG 3 starters, 3 reserves. The Big 8 in my league is depleted and my 2k SF got in! he has 1OD and decent secondary(5,7). My true SF is getting training.The ASG does cause upset but players should not get bend out of shape because The ASG has No Benefits or Advantages!

Ben wallace is a 4 time allstar.

Also, if you move your player off position for the voting, maybe they count the votes in both positions and divide them...

so much better passing PG, like here?

I am not even sure if he is better, or just have less responsibilities to share. Maybe you could argue that D Rose didn't deserve MVP, but honestly it is difficult to put Rondo into this discussion like him. Also he is more a slasher, then a PG here.

Interesting debate.

Derrick Rose deserved the MVP because he was very important for the Bulls, being importanet everywhere, expanding his game and taking his team further than any post Jordan Bulls squad got. In this case is right because it rewards the player more important to a team's success, not the best player. I believe Kobe, Lebron, Howard are better, but olny Dwight was the main player on his squad.-