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203867.10 in reply to 203867.9
Date: 12/3/2011 10:07:11 AM
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It is like saying that adding a very thin and almost none viewable line to a picture is like paiting the picture from scatch.

What..? No, I think my statements are still correct.

Limiting the training speed of players drafted in the higher leagues does not appear a meaningful solution here. It would unnecessarily complicate the game.
It already the case today - veteran playersare trained much slower than rookies.
It just adding a parameter for the desicion and the training formula.

It is not just about adding a parameter to training. It is really making the system more complicated. If you make the training in higher leagues slower across the board, you shift the sweet spot of where the successful training of certain player types makes most sense. Overall it would suck for the higher leagues (limiting their choice and probably making things tougher), but I am personally undecided whether some added "suckiness" would be good or bad. And, on the other hand, if you give better draftees to higher league teams, they will be able to get a lot more money out of the draft than lower league teams. They can still sell those players (to lower league teams) after all.

Or if the idea is that the slower training is an attribute tied to the draftees themselves, you will make transfer market more complicated by making all future players have a variable, league-level-of-draft-time dependent, training speed in addition to their potential. This would probably mean that the high-league draftees will be mostly trained in higher leagues (in lower leagues they would have less value), after which they turn into non-trained players at pretty much all levels. The low-league draftees, on the other hand, would be (mostly) trained in lower leagues, and they would remain interesting for all teams for future training.

Or would the slower training attribute wear off the players at some age, or skill level, or gap to potential cap, or some other parameter? Or something else? I think there are some major implications here that really need to be thought out thoroughly. It serves no good to insist the suggestion is great, if you are not willing to critically think about it.

In case it will allow higher league's teams to actually train players, it will improve the game.

Teams in higher leagues do train players. They just seldom train their own draftees. Yes, I agree it would be nice to change that. But I don't see a problem-free solution on the table.

In case it will not affect the game (as you said, it will still be not affordable to train those players) - there is no reason to oppose this suggestion.

This change would definitely affect the game. I don't understand what you are exactly referring to as my words and what that reference is supposed to imply, but that is perhaps beside the point anyway. It is clear that changing the level of draftees and training speed of either individual players or individual teams would considerably affect the game. Whether the overall effect would be for good or bad, I haven't yet figured out entirely. But it would need to be significantly for the better to complicate the game in a way you suggest.

This is not as simple a change as you wish to make it appear.

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203867.11 in reply to 203867.1
Date: 12/3/2011 10:44:41 AM
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î am for same chanches for everyone your suggestion would be a horrible task of balancing chanches ... Especially since you had to predict the market, which will be a most have since U21 squads depends on selling the div 1 draft into low level leagues that they reach their max ;) Also i believe most div 1 teams will sell them still, since there was always a market for elite talents.

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203867.12 in reply to 203867.9
Date: 12/3/2011 1:08:21 PM
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Training your own draftee has an advantage. Merchandising.
Once again you just shoot something out there, put an E-Bay comment in there somewhere (that makes absolutely no sence again:D) and do not think about, how this change would impact different things. I sometimes think you lack comprehension alltogether.

From: rcvaz

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203867.14 in reply to 203867.5
Date: 12/4/2011 11:13:58 AM
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No surprises here, then...

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203867.15 in reply to 203867.10
Date: 12/4/2011 1:49:19 PM
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1) Complicting the game;
a) Adding the 3-point line had complicated the game. It does not mean that it is for the worse.
b) No one knows what is the current training parameters, only guessing, and evaluating due to the fact that the parameters had been (kind of) stable for to long. No harm (and a lot of good) will be added by mixing it up againg with this new parameters.
Real basketball game is frequently changing and the coaches and managers needs to adjust their strategy. This is true for economy and other uspect of life.
Complicating the game is not a bad thing.

2) Training Veterans is not like training your own draft players;
The fact is that currently training draft players at this BB-game under higher leagues is rare.
This fact implies a problem that needs to be fixed.

From: abigfishy

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203867.17 in reply to 203867.16
Date: 12/7/2011 4:01:49 AM
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horrible idea but...

the current level of players in the draft is way too low

is it really true that in the nba 90% of drafted players get fired within a week of being drafted?

it is here!

it takes a lot of long seasons to train players to make them into something useful & with most of the players being drafted being useless bench warmer or 6th men potential they are strictly rubbish

it maybe makes sense that the 3rd round could be filled with junk but there sould be at least an average of 16 trainable players in each draft each season, that means at least $3.5k starting salary & star potential & avoiding atrocious in key skills

in most of the drafts i have seen recently there are probably 10% of the players drafted that actually ever get trained that is way too low

i am not asking for even 1 more HoF or ATG potential but the middle potentials star, allstar and pallstar should be a LOT more common

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203867.18 in reply to 203867.17
Date: 12/7/2011 5:32:08 AM
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but when i look at the tl, there are a lot decent draft pick avaible for low prices, or get even fired cause they are just "stars". I don't think that we need much more talent, and if we get stronger talent i am quite sure the problem would be the same since we look only on the top 5% worth to get trained.

And the NBA, doesn't need to put that much work in it, the skill decline is till now nearly a non factor here but i believe from the speed closer to the progress the player made through training which is insane in real life terms.

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203867.19 in reply to 203867.1
Date: 12/7/2011 5:46:12 AM
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Ok my two cents

Pini has identified a thing in the game whereby higher league's are not training young players, and that the main bulk of training is done by lower league teams.

Im going to approach this problem from a totally different viewpoint.

Because of the fact that the lower teams do most of the training of young players, it has led to the following phenomena:
- Higher league teams are mentoring their lower league counterparts in how to train players, thus creating a greater sense of community. This is highly evident in the Australian league, where there is a strong community development approach, and higher league teams communicate and help out lower league teams.
- Higher league teams have actually tanked for some seasons in order to go down through the leagues, such that they can experience the joys of rebuilding teams from scratch, and amoungst other things, training players from scratch.

Both of these events are caused by the current system of the game. Both of these events are actually positive in a sense that they create such a great community, especially so here in Australia. I would hate to see disruption of this.

Im not sure if Pini's suggestion is terrible. he is trying to resolve an issue that he has identified. However, im not sure if his suggestion would make a difference, at all to anything. The higher league teams are always going to avoid training players, it is almost in the mechanics of the game. The reward for training players in higher leagues, would have to massive compared to what they are now for a top league team.

And fundamentally, i believe that the buying/selling part of this game, is essential and is a core component. The game isnt ALL about buying/selling, but it is an integral part and the better you are at it, the better your team.
Much like any other aspect to this game. the better you are at it, the better your team.

From: Kukoc

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203867.20 in reply to 203867.17
Date: 12/7/2011 6:10:42 AM
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NBA has 30 teams. How many of those 30 draftees in the first round are worth much? I think there are more than 30 great players coming out of the draft of BB each season. There is a difference ofcourse. In the NBA a team can claim the player without putting any effort in this players developement before he is eligible to be trained by them via drafting. In BB teams that draft those players get to train them for their own team or sell them.

Last edited by Kukoc at 12/7/2011 6:11:26 AM

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