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From: Fonzi

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223669.10 in reply to 223669.9
Date: 8/17/2012 2:09:18 AM
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Do you want to tackle the cause of the problem or simply regulate its effects?
If intentional walkovers are messing up the league standings, do not allow managers to field an insufficient amount of players. If they do, have the game engine fill the rotation either with lucky fans or autoselect players from the team roster.
Teams can still throw games, but the penalty will be a blowout. Financially, I don't know whether the system distinguishes between a 25 point loss and a 100 point loss.

From: Axis123

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223669.11 in reply to 223669.10
Date: 8/17/2012 2:30:18 AM
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What if a team only has 3 players? Field "lucky fans"? Yeah right. I think managers need to be given more choices and consequences for their choices, not more concrete restrictions.

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223669.12 in reply to 223669.1
Date: 8/17/2012 2:47:03 AM
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There is no need to do something against causing Walkovers. Just take away the reasons why someone intentionally causes a WO, e.g. race for 5th place: you caused a walkover - sorry mate, you're gonna have to pay the players salaries during the playoff weeks.

From: Fonzi

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223669.13 in reply to 223669.11
Date: 8/17/2012 2:56:13 AM
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Have you ever seen a lucky fan go nuts and score in bunches? The ones I came across always had a horrible effiecency rating. That is the consequence of fielding three players or less. Personally, I don't see that as a restriction of my freedom to manage or coach.
It would also have a positive side effect: Every team in the league has to manage its minutes for three full games a week. There will be no one team that gets to save its minutes for the other two games or a predetermined amount of minutes in case of the other team's walkover.
It doesn't punish the opponent either. He can play his trainees in that game.

On the other hand, penalizing the walkover teams financially will surely hurt them and maybe serve to prevent a walkover the next time. But a purely repressive approach doesn't take away the negative aspects for the other teams that are punished without reason.

From: Axis123

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223669.14 in reply to 223669.13
Date: 8/17/2012 3:02:04 AM
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Have you ever seen a lucky fan go nuts and score in bunches? The ones I came across always had a horrible effiecency rating. That is the consequence of fielding three players or less. Personally, I don't see that as a restriction of my freedom to manage or coach.
It would also have a positive side effect: Every team in the league has to manage its minutes for three full games a week. There will be no one team that gets to save its minutes for the other two games or a predetermined amount of minutes in case of the other team's walkover.
It doesn't punish the opponent either. He can play his trainees in that game.

On the other hand, penalizing the walkover teams financially will surely hurt them and maybe serve to prevent a walkover the next time. But a purely repressive approach doesn't take away the negative aspects for the other teams that are punished without reason.

Actually very good points. Thanks.

From: CrazyEye

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223669.15 in reply to 223669.13
Date: 8/17/2012 3:06:44 AM
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It doesn't punish the opponent either. He can play his trainees in that game.


often walkover come without an announcement. And the minute distribution is at least weird.

From: Mr AD

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223669.16 in reply to 223669.15
Date: 8/17/2012 3:34:11 AM
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if that's the case, then every team must not be allowed to be given a walkover. if Team A wants to personally lose, there are other ways to lose a game without giving a walkover. plus, it is a big incentive for Team B because he can at least distribute his minutes like a normal game.

From: Fonzi

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223669.17 in reply to 223669.15
Date: 8/17/2012 4:50:27 AM
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Thats what I'm saying Sorry, if that wasn't clear enough.
If there are no walkovers any more and an actual game is played, the opponent will not be punished by that weird minute distribution any more.

From: Axis123
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223669.18 in reply to 223669.17
Date: 9/1/2012 8:25:26 PM
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Maybe another option is to just let the players get their minutes that they play in the game, whether it's against "lucky fans" or not.

That's the biggest issue, is it not?

From: Dworcus

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223669.19 in reply to 223669.3
Date: 9/5/2012 5:08:54 PM
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I completly agree, I posted a similar thread last season (2188.7)

Maybe in real life a walkover lead to 25-0 score. But here in BB there's much more walkovers than IRL, that's why it's such an issue. I face one, once per season on average although I'm now in D.III (which is supposed to be more competitive).

Moreover in BB, most of the time you could expect much more than a 25 pts differential if the game were not a walkover.
Points average is important, and walkover can be used to foil a player attempt to get a better pa, by players who are out of competition (or frustrated).

The penalties should be harsher for the teams who made the walkover. I think that the high number of walkovers we can see, is actually an indication that the penalties for playing that way are too low.

Never made a walkover and always fielded 5 players minimum.