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241585.10 in reply to 241585.9
Date: 5/12/2013 1:06:00 PM
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Mighty Ballers looked like the only team trying out there.

I guess he pulled a fast one on you. He probably crunched with that lineup as an experiment.

I didn't realize he was tanking, MB was was in D1 a few seasons back.

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241585.11 in reply to 241585.10
Date: 5/12/2013 1:13:53 PM
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Mighty Ballers looked like the only team trying out there.

I guess he pulled a fast one on you. He probably crunched with that lineup as an experiment.

I didn't realize he was tanking, MB was was in D1 a few seasons back.


Yeah, I know he was - but he's in rebuild mode.

And even if he DID crunch, you'll never convince me that a 4-man team could beat an entire lineup. 4 people on a court at one time simply cannot outplay 5 if they're even close in talent. That's simply not realistic. That's putting numbers on paper ahead of how a real game plays out - and that is clearly a game mechanics issue.

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241585.12 in reply to 241585.11
Date: 5/12/2013 1:24:30 PM
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As I said before, the difference between crunch and TIE is pretty massive. The TIE team rarely wins those scenerios and when they do, the games are generally close. Add in homecourt advantage and he probably starts with a 40 point advantage before you've even taken the floor. It's a perfect storm for a huge upset and that's exactly what happened.

Plus it's far from a mistake in the game engine, when I was in D4 many seasons ago I beat a D2 team in the cup with my $30,000 starting lineup using this exact formula.

I"m not sure what good it does being angry, to me it's just a learning experience on how the game engine works and helps show the value of enthusiasm and homecourt. This game would be far more boring if it was virtually impossible for an overmatched team to pull off an upset. I'd be frustrated that a team out of it played crunch on me but not much you could do to see that coming.

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241585.13 in reply to 241585.12
Date: 5/12/2013 1:34:21 PM
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I"m not sure what good it does being angry, to me it's just a learning experience on how the game engine works and helps show the value of enthusiasm and homecourt. This game would be far more boring if it was virtually impossible for an overmatched team to pull off an upset. I'd be frustrated that a team out of it played crunch on me but not much you could do to see that coming.


I'm all for underdog upsets. But we're not talking about a lower division team with a major upset - we're talking about a 4-man team beating a 5-man team by 20 points.

Regardless of any bonus homecourt and crunch might give, what about a bonus a team should get for having more players on the court? And what about a penalty for never resting your players?

Look at it from a POV of realism. If 5 players are playing 4, they can never be properly defended - there's no way that team is getting 15 offensive rebounds, let alone 35 defensive rebounds! Especially when my rebounding was 2 levels higher than his.

Every point attempt for my team should have an advantage, since he cannot properly defend me and there is ALWAYS a man open.

His 'best player' would be at a huge disadvantage, because I could always double team him and STILL have all of his other players covered. There's no way that player is scoring 50 points.

Completely unrealistic.

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241585.14 in reply to 241585.13
Date: 5/12/2013 1:45:25 PM
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I'm all for underdog upsets. But we're not talking about a lower division team with a major upset - we're talking about a 4-man team beating a 5-man team by 20 points.


He played 5 guys, the 5th guy or lucky fan just isn't very good. But he did have 8 rebounds, 2 steals and a block in this game. Plus you let his two star players score 101 points between them. That's your bigger issue.

Think about it with an extreme example. IF the Miami Heat were playing a mid level college team and James, Wade, Bosh and their 12th man then pulled a guy out of the stands to be their 5th, wouldn't you still bet on the Heat to win that game? That's kinda what happened here. And the crunch + homecourt vs tie advantage made him the Heat vs your college team as far as the game engine could tell.

The game engine does draw a line drawn on when a team isn't good enough to beat your team in this scenario, you just don't like where the BB makers have put that line.

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241585.15 in reply to 241585.13
Date: 5/12/2013 1:47:42 PM
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Canada Purple Haze BC
Have to agree with the Palominos
not just 4 players but 2 of them under $3000 salary
every team plays them TIE all season and wins by an average of about 80 points
BAD BEAT INDEED!!

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241585.16 in reply to 241585.14
Date: 5/12/2013 1:54:16 PM
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He played 5 guys, the 5th guy or lucky fan just isn't very good. But he did have 8 rebounds, 2 steals and a block in this game. Plus you let his two star players score 101 points between them. That's your bigger issue.


Oh, because that's realistic? An engine that allows a fake player to play and get 8 rebounds, 2 steals and a block?

Think about it with an extreme example. IF the Miami Heat were playing a mid level college team and James, Wade, Bosh and their 12th man then pulled a guy out of the stands to be their 5th, wouldn't you still bet on the Heat to win that game? That's kinda what happened here.


Not at all comparable. The comparison is the Heat playing LeBron and Wade, a bench player and a last minute development league callup, with a fan filling in as the 5th player, then playing the entire Pacers squad and winning by 20. Never going to happen in a million years - even with home court and CT vs TIE.

The game engine does draw a line drawn on when a team isn't good enough to beat your team in this scenario, you just don't like where the BB makers have put that line.


Because that line is apparently when a D5 team with 2 players and 0 enthusiasm plays a Naismith team with max enthusiasm. Then apparently they might lose. /end sarcasm.

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241585.17 in reply to 241585.15
Date: 5/12/2013 1:55:28 PM
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His other 2 starters have $120,000 total salary, both have high gameshape and both of them scored 50 points on a high percentage. Plus he crunched (BOTs obviously don't crunch).

I don't know many early season BOT teams that play games with all of those things.


So SP, I guess your main issue is that the game isn't realistic? Sorry bud, but this game has never been realistic.

I still don't see the issue here based on what I've experienced playing this game. Obviously you disagree and others will too.

Good luck the rest of the season bud.

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241585.18 in reply to 241585.17
Date: 5/12/2013 2:55:24 PM
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His other 2 starters have $120,000 total salary, both have high gameshape and both of them scored 50 points on a high percentage. Plus he crunched (BOTs obviously don't crunch).


His top 2 starters have $111,000 in salary and game shape of strong and proficient. My top 2 starters have $114,000 in salary and game shape of strong and prominent.

His other players has a combined salary of less than $6k; a DMI of 71500 and 5400, and each a game shape of strong. My next two players had a salary of more than $67k, and a DMI of more than 850000, and game shapes of strong and proficient.

Not to mention I had a 5th starter with a DMI of 95000 and strong game shape.

So what does that mean?? If we compare those number I still pwn him.

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241585.19 in reply to 241585.18
Date: 5/12/2013 3:01:38 PM
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We all have our share of games we want to rant about, but that's not gonna change the results. It's not like they're gonna re-run the sim of that game for you.

But there there... Vent... Vent it all out. Haha!

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241585.20 in reply to 241585.19
Date: 5/12/2013 3:21:04 PM
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Just to add in, the fact that RNG was used probably contributed to the massive scores (and 20 pt lead). Also since his SG and SF were stronger than yours they beat you when you used M2M def using RNG. Meanwhile you used RNG when your advantage seems to be at the bigs positions

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