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Yalin Bugday

drafted by GFB, immediately moved to RealMaden-SK (S18-S21)
S18 Turkish 2nd league
S19-S20 Turkish 3nd league
S21 Turkish 2nd league
get botted in S31

moved to 篮球队 (S21-S25)
S21-S24 Chinese 4th league
S25 Chinese 3rd league
now plays in Chinese 4th league

moved to 孟菲斯-快船 (S25)
S25 Chinese 4th league
now plays in Chinese 4th league

moved to Foo-hoop fighters (S26-S31)
S26-S31 Albanian top league
get botted in S31

moved to Mloty Stargard (S31-S32)

SUPERLIGOTA
playing in Polish top league since S7

Bogdan Wasztyl

drafted by wizard duck (S17-S19)
S17-S18 Polish 4th league
S19 Polish 5th league
get botted in S19

moved to Boro Team (S19-S25)
S19 Polish 2nd league
S20-S22 Polish 3rd league
S23 Polish 2nd league
S24 Polish top league
S25 Polish 2nd league
get botted in S28

moved to SUPERLIGOTA

Branko Selestrin

drafted by Podgorje Rulles (S16)
S16 Croatian 3rd league, now plays in 2nd league

moved to KK Noa Zagreb (S16-S24)
S16 Croatian top league
S17 Croatian 2nd league
S18 Croatian 3rd league
S19 Croatian 4th league
S20 Croatian 3rd league
S21-S24 Croatian 2nd league, now plays in Croatian top league

moved to Detroit Basketball (S24-S27)
S24 Croatian 3rd league
S25-S26 Croatian 2nd league
S27 Croatian 3rd league, now plays in Croatian 3rd league

moved to Gineitiskes (S27-S28)
S27-S28 Lithuanian top division, now plays in Lithuanian 4th league

moved to Ezi (S28-S29)
S28-S29 Latvian top division, get botted in S32

moved to ASPK (S30)
S30 Polish top league, stays here until now

moved to kamparindo (S30)
S30 Indonesian top league, stays here until now

moved to Incow SK (S31)
S31 Turkish top league, gets botted in S32

moved to SUPERLIGOTA (S31-S32)

Benedetto Ottana

drafted by Darth-Vader Basket, immediately moved to Wild Squirrels (S18)
S18 Turkish 3rd league, gets botted in S29

moved to Klappse Episode 23 (S18-S21)
S18-S21 German 4th league, now plays in German 4th division

moved to MMustang (S21-S23)
S21-S23 Chinese 2nd league, get botted in S26

moved to super cocodrilos (S23-S25)
S23 Venezuelan 3rd league
S24 Venezuelan 2nd league
S25 Venezuelan 3rd league, get botted in S25

moved to KoF United (S25-S30)
S25-S30 Hong Kong's top league, get botted in S32

moved to SUPERLIGOTA

Józef Łodej

drafted by Legia Warszawa, immediately moved to Superfreakys (S18-S22)
S18-S19 Canadian 2nd league
S20 Canadian 3rd league
S21-S22 Canadian 2nd league, now plays in Canadian 2nd league

moves to SUPERLIGOTA (S22-S32)

Igor Vasović

drafted by Martonos Vultures, immediately moved to BC Tachov (S16)
S16 Czech 3rd league, get botted in S25

moved to Navaro (S16-S17)
S16-S17 Serbian 2nd league, now plays in Serbian 2nd league as КК Ђија ИН

moved to Topola Eagles (S17-S26)
S17 Serbian top league
S18 Serbian 2nd league
S19 Serbian 3rd league
S20 Serbian 2nd league
S21 Serbian 3rd league
S22-S23 Serbian 2nd league
S24-S26 Serbian top league, now in Serbian top league

moved to The Last Of Us (S26-S28)
S26-S28 Korean top league, botted in S31

moved to SUPERLIGOTA (S28-S32)

Panayiotis Karayiorgos

drafted by B.C. MILTIADES Salonika, immediately moved to Shanghai East big shark (S16-S24)
S16 Chinese 2nd league
S17-S18 Chinese 3rd league
S19-S24 Chinese 2nd league, botted in S25

moved to AlmogaversBC (S25-S26)
S25-S26 Spanish 2nd league, now in Spanish 2nd league

moved to Zaniemysl Basket Team (S26-S28)
S26 Polish 2nd league
S27-S28 Polish top league

moved to SUPERLIGOTA (S28-S32)

What does it mean? How should we interpret this data? I'm going to write some statements in third, final post - I need some rest after finding all this data

Last edited by Siwy at 11/10/2015 5:34:03 PM

So it's time for summary of our data.

1. In fact, there some teams, which played in top leagues during training top players. Some of them were tanking (for example, KK Noa Zagreb with Selestrin or Vasović from Topola Eagles), but we can find some clubs, which were able to train and fight in top divisions at the same time (new orleans paul with Sheinzinger- the Israeli was trained in top division club when he was 20!; Łodej also begin his adventure with top division when he was 23 and it's probable, so he was trained by Superligota). Yes, it's still a quite rare situation, but it happens.

2.

80 to 90% of the trainers of the top players in the b3 are in fact no longer playing BB and/or exist in the bottom divisions of their respective nations.

Is that statement true? We have here 14 players. which were altogether trained by 26 managers, before they turned 23. How many of them are still active? 9 of them. It's around 35% of all trainers. If we compare it to your opinion, that there are only 10-20% of them, it's clear, that this statement is exaggerated.

3.

Over 50% of all B3 players have been FA at some point and around 25% have even been FA more than once

That statement is true, more, it may even be underestimated! 10 of 14 players were FA at least once, and 2 of 14 were FA at least twice. It gives us around 70% of once FA players, and 15% of twice+ FA players. According to that, it's true, that FA system is a key factor of making a world-class squad. Of course, world-class teams win most of top FAs auctions, because they usually have the biggest amount of money. However, this is usually an effect of their brilliant skills in managing their roster, not the lack of balance between the biggest ones, and the lesser ones.

4. Not every team, who gone FA after training a player, was uncompetetive. Only the few of them were playing in the lowest possible division in their country. The majority of them were mid-class teams, when they trained today's stars. I'm worried, that this fact haven't been taken into a consideration, when your opinions were made.

5. To make all things clear, we have to remember, B3 teams can't make a direct profit from farm teams! Why? Because if this players have to be sold, everyone can buy them. Therefore, agreements between farm teams and B3 teams are impossible - no one can make this kind of transfer sure.
Why I say it? Because both things come close in your posts, are we have to differ them- it's hard sometimes.

I think, that I can't make more statements at this moments. I hope, that someone will be available to make another thoughts about my data, if this topic is not finished yet.

EDIT: 6. I've forgotten about very important subject: how many players have been trained in their country into NT. Only then it's possible to say, that those players could be a part of farm team. According to my data, 10 from 14 players meets the criteria. One of them, Yalin Bugday, has too low potential to be trained to NT (perennial all-star). Now, we still have 9 players, which could be in farm teams. How many of them were played longer than 1 season in lowest possible active division? Kudyk, Wasztyl, Xiangui and Selestrin. That's three of them. Now, how many of them were trained, when their team was tanking? Vasović (get relegated from DI to DIII), and other players mentioned in previous question. Therefore, there are 5 players, which could be involved in farming. However, we can't say, if they were. Probably the most of them weren't.


Last edited by Siwy at 11/11/2015 10:46:23 AM