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Entirely possible that it is a result of the promotion boost. But, 5 teams promote to a league above every season and I've always beaten them in gate receipts, whilst having a worse record.

I would suggest you finished second last season because your good enough to make the playoffs and because the majority of your league has an arena like yours, so its only natural that team record would allow you to charge more, thus earn more.

How much money did you earn over last regular season in gate receipts?

In any event, whilst promotion boost maybe the explanation for DIV I, what is the explanation for getting relegated every other season and still winning DIV II gate receipts? Is there not a penalty for getting relegated?

I think the obvious answer is that promotion bonus and relegation penalty effects the bleachers the most.

You're right about the fact that lower tier seats bring more money and are less affected by relegation penalty, but my main point was about the time and money you need to build a 10k/10k rather than a classic 15k/5k.

It costs 2.5M$ more and will take seasons to build for a new team. Only to get what, maybe 30k$ a game if you stay in the upper leagues ?
I'm sure there are other ways to spend this money and get more results.

Imho, if you wanna get the better efficiency, then build a 15k/5k like arena, even more if you're a new team. If you wanna get the biggest gate receipts (but at what cost), then get the 10k/10k like arena + the 2 or 4M$ arena design.

Last edited by slamdunk9 at 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM

I agree, it takes longer and costs more money to build a more evenly distributed arena.

I'm not trying to be argumentative but i think its a competitive advantage once you get there.

I obviously had the added bonus that i play in a relatively small country with limited managers, so i was able to compete and build at the same time.

I don't know, but i think the advantage is more than $30K per game once i get player parity with the league.

For some perspective, in the last home game of this season, when comparing to my promotion peers who have all won at least 1 game, I received between 60-101k more for that game. I got 145k more than one, but lets leave them out because their arena size isn't comparable at only 15k total.

So 60-101k per game over a season is $1 million dollars more. I could either bank that profit or take on an extra 100k per week salary player.

That's a pretty big competitive advantage, which i assume will increase (but at a smaller rate) when/if i start winning.

I appreciate the conversation from a more experienced player.

60-100k$ seems a lot to me. Are you sure your opponents set their prices as correctly as you do ?

Once promoted last season, I was around 550k$ and it looks like you earn 10-20k more. The main difference is that I won some games (rival, TV) while you don't at the moment. So that's a solid advantage for you, but i'd say it's not that huge (in front of the investment and what else could have been done with this money).
And you're still in the promotion bonus, which will fade earlier because of the losses. Might be interesting to see your gate receipts then.

And yes it's nice to get your feedback too ! Cause if one day I have to tank for a bit, I might build some more lower tier seats if you can show me how much you get out of it :P

I'm not sure, but i haven't seen too many teams that have attendance of 25,000+ that are priced properly, so i would think no.

But 10k for bleachers is too low for DIV I. If you're regularly winning in DIV I you'll sell 10k Bleachers at the max $20, no problem. Thats only $200k earned from bleachers which is way too low.

The answer to your question is yes. 15/10 will be the same as 15/5 or 10/10 depending on pricing. Also keep in mind that the maximum attendance is roughly 20k and seats are very likely sold in order: first the boxes up to 50, then courtside up to 550, then it would be LT up to 10550 in your example. You will sell as many seats as the price supports. So if you set LT to 25, you will almost certainly sell out.

So yes, with 15/10 you can benefit from higher bleachers in lower leagues and have an edge from higher LT in higher leagues. I wouldn't buy 5k extra seats just for that though.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 10/3/2020 5:52:57 AM

nah, in an extreme example you could sell 50 boxes, 500 courtside and 19.5k Lower Tier and you shouldn't be able to sell any bleachers even if you set them at $1. This has always been the general understanding of how the arena works. At least, nobody's ever heard of someone selling 21k seats in a normal game (league or cup), no matter what the arena composition and the arena size (there are people with 50k+ seats arenas...).

To have definitive proof, we'd have to ask someone with these outrageous arenas to put prices as low as possible and see what happens.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 10/3/2020 12:22:57 PM