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NT injuries: do they ever last?

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39702.10 in reply to 39702.8
Date: 7/21/2008 8:45:54 PM
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So a BB said that? Maybe the bug is to fix the rules. In any case, something is inconsistent.

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39702.11 in reply to 39702.9
Date: 7/21/2008 8:48:49 PM
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If there is indeed evidence that there is an injured player around due to an NT game, i would recommend the owner of that player start a debate on Wages and Experience and the option to allow the player to play for the NT.

Because it;s simply not worth it right now to let a player play for the NT, if it was indeed true.

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39702.12 in reply to 39702.10
Date: 7/21/2008 8:52:31 PM
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If the GM' speak on behalf of the BB's, and i assume they do, yes.


Atleast 3 GM's said that there was no need for refund of wages and a bonus for Experience, because the games were Arcade based. They said they shouldn't reward the managers more than just bragging rights.

And i'm sure Juicepats was one of the GM' who participated in that debate, if that counts for anything.

:Edit: I slightly remember a BB being involved, not really sure though. Atleast we got convinced that it was okay to not get wages refunded.

Last edited by Legen...Riceball...Dary! at 7/21/2008 8:56:10 PM

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39702.13 in reply to 39702.12
Date: 7/21/2008 8:55:45 PM
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If the GM' speak on behalf of the BB's, and i assume they do, yes.


I don't want to get this discussion sidetracked, but in general, GMs speak for themselves. If they're speaking for the BBs, they should be clear that they're speaking officially, and not as just a user.

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39702.14 in reply to 39702.13
Date: 7/21/2008 9:02:41 PM
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I really hope Gm's refrain from speaking for themselves when the topic is concerning the game itself. I mean we are suppose to get clear and true information from the GM's of the game... kinda unprofessional, if they are not really sure themselves when they give their answer.


Anyways, i'm pretty sure it was official, otherwise i wouldn't have accepted the no refund/no experience deal.

Last edited by Legen...Riceball...Dary! at 7/21/2008 9:03:29 PM

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39702.15 in reply to 39702.14
Date: 7/21/2008 9:07:19 PM
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There is most definitely experience awarded for playing in NT games. It's likely not more than you get from a league game, but the chance to get injured is not higher, either.

From what I remember, Juice is on the record saying that NT games are not played in arcade mode. But even so, GMs do not develop the game, so as knowledgeable as they are, their info is not first-hand and should be taken with a grain of salt, albeit small.

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39702.16 in reply to 39702.15
Date: 7/21/2008 9:23:04 PM
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Okay, let me ask you this.

How is that fair to the managers?

First of all, we risk that our players will get injured for weeks. We get no real bonus whatsoever for letting them play, except maybe the experience, which is ever so slight.
We get no refund, because the players wouldn't get any negative effect of the games therefor they didn't feel the need to compensate the downside of the NT games.
We get no say if the player will or will not be in the NT.

I highly doubt that managers would accept:

Experience > No control over Player, Chance of Injury, No refund, No minutes.

Because i wouldn't.


Last edited by Legen...Riceball...Dary! at 7/21/2008 9:26:31 PM

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39702.17 in reply to 39702.16
Date: 7/21/2008 9:34:09 PM
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There is an easy, simple way to deal with the issue: sell your national player, purchase player of the same strength that is not an NT player, and stash the rest of the money. Or never buy a player with a flag.

I can tell you right now that withdrawing a player from the NT will never be an option for gameplay reasons.

I agree that it is probably reasonable to receive a wage refund for each week of injury. This is not available right now. Tough.

I think most managers would be against getting training minutes from NT games. It is hard enough to have your best players play significant minutes in all competitive games as it is.

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39702.18 in reply to 39702.12
Date: 7/21/2008 11:20:52 PM
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And i'm sure Juicepats was one of the GM' who participated in that debate, if that counts for anything.


No, I wasn't one of them - I've always believed that injuries can be multi-game (though I've never seen one myself).

I'm going to try to find out a definitive answer, though.

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39702.19 in reply to 39702.17
Date: 7/22/2008 8:49:27 AM
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There is an easy, simple way to deal with the issue: sell your national player, purchase player of the same strength that is not an NT player, and stash the rest of the money. Or never buy a player with a flag.

I can tell you right now that withdrawing a player from the NT will never be an option for gameplay reasons.


That is ridiculous. Why would want to offer our players up for the sake of the game? It sounds selfish, but fair. In real life, you get the say if a player may or may not play in the NT.

So you are saying, that people should treat a player being in the NT a bad thing. Therefor resell them and replace them with worse players that are not in the NT.
And once they get selected for the NT, i should replace them again. Why should the NT result in such a troublesome routine?

By far the easiest way to solve this, is just remove injury from NT games. Not your way of trading players. Sure, it's challenging, but what's the point?

On top of that i could easily find a way to abuse this rule, in order to win the first league, as an NT coach. Not that i'm an NT coach, but you might see people invite a top-notch player from a competitive team in order to try and injure him via NT matches.

Once a player is branded an NT player, the manager will receive a handicap. An extra chance of an injury, without any advantages/compensation whatsoever.


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39702.20 in reply to 39702.19
Date: 7/22/2008 8:53:30 AM
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In real life, you get the say if a player may or may not play in the NT.


That's not true in most every sport. The Raptors fought as hard as they could to not let Jorge Garbajosa play internationally last summer, but he still played and hurt himself.

In soccer, clubs have no choice at all. In FIFA's international windows, clubs must release their players for national team games, period.

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