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98874.10 in reply to 98874.9
Date: 6/28/2009 4:41:25 PM
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So, to sum up, my theory is that if you are making all your shots you are probably not drawing many fouls. Anyone care to dispute my assumption?
It´s not that easy to make the shot with someone hanging in your arms...

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98874.11 in reply to 98874.10
Date: 6/28/2009 8:11:07 PM
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It´s not that easy to make the shot with someone hanging in your arms...


I'm pretty sure that in the NBA there are more instances where people make shots when fouled (at least 2-3 times per game). In BB you're lucky to see it once every 2-3 games.

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98874.12 in reply to 98874.11
Date: 6/28/2009 10:10:32 PM
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Thenewchuck thanks for the correction. Although I did get 2 in my recent game, I do not see fouls on made shots as much as the NBA does. From where could we get the four point plays and six point plays without?

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Date: 6/28/2009 11:08:02 PM
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Six point shot? Really? That's impossible under FIBA, NCAA or NBA rules.

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Date: 6/28/2009 11:54:12 PM
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To nobody in particular, but more of an observation of what I've noticed about fouling:

Players that back off when a player is shooting tends to result in a foul

Players that are up in a guys face when he's shooting results in even less fouls

Case-in-Point:

Lorenzo Capps, my star SG that I've had on my Chicago Goats roster since I joined BB back in Season 4, tends to back off of a player that is doing a jump shot and usually that results in a trip to the charity stripe. However, I'd say about 80 to 85% of the time that he stays in the shooter's face, he is rarely called for a shooting foul.

I thought when a defender backs off, it's so that he doesn't foul the shooter and a lot of times that actually causes the shooter to miss ... which they usually do in the games I play. Some shooters are more accurate with someone in their face than they are wide open, and vice versa.

Anyways, it was just something that's been bugging me a little. Capps is usually foul-happy on defense but majority of the time when he fouls, it's because he backed off slightly when the shooter goes up for the shot.

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Date: 6/29/2009 12:12:29 AM
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six point shot?

Chris good job catching my error.
The correct is six point play. A three point basket with a shooting foul gives a six point play. As I often saw during Lakers VS Pacers finals , a 2 pointer with a foul on the shot is a four point play. The Lakers are good at this strategy.

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Date: 6/29/2009 12:43:04 AM
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six point shot?

Chris good job catching my error.
The correct is six point play. A three point basket with a shooting foul gives a six point play. As I often saw during Lakers VS Pacers finals , a 2 pointer with a foul on the shot is a four point play. The Lakers are good at this strategy.

Erm, no. A three-point shot with a shooting foul is a four-point play, and a normal shot with a shooting foul is a three-point play.

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Date: 6/29/2009 1:50:32 AM
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So, to sum up, my theory is that if you are making all your shots you are probably not drawing many fouls. Anyone care to dispute my assumption?

It´s not that easy to make the shot with someone hanging in your arms...


I'm pretty sure that in the NBA there are more instances where people make shots when fouled (at least 2-3 times per game). In BB you're lucky to see it once every 2-3 games.
I agree... The thing i meant was that it is the foul that make sure you miss the shot. In some other post it almost sounded like having good shooters making the shots would reduce fouls, when in fact it most likely would bbe the other way around...


Last edited by Mannen at 6/29/2009 1:51:10 AM

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98874.18 in reply to 98874.8
Date: 6/29/2009 7:57:34 AM
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I don´t have hard evidence as you request, but i´ve readen it in some posts, i´ve just played with less attitude one match this year, and i made 21 fouls when i usually make 14. Could it be by playing without normal/high attitude? Perhaps.
But the number of fouls depends on tactics, players, etc. so everyone is able to talk about his own experience better than me.
Best regards.

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98874.19 in reply to 98874.18
Date: 6/29/2009 9:10:48 AM
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I don´t have hard evidence as you request


I just wanted to make sure since you sounded completely convinced in your last post. So, we have a hypothesis that lower attitude means more fouls. However, it is not proven yet.

Just curious - can you link to that match? I couldn't find the one you describe when I look at this season's games.

What about this match from this season - you tried harder and you were at home but the fouls are almost equal: (13706027). It seems to go against the theory...

So, like I said, nothing is proven yet.

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98874.20 in reply to 98874.17
Date: 6/29/2009 9:14:28 AM
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The thing i meant was that it is the foul that make sure you miss the shot.


I don't think the foul makes you miss the shot in BB - it is an interesting theory but... I was talking with Crazyeye in another thread and he was commenting on how teams that are strong defensively (as a team) will draw more fouls. That seems to imply that missing a shot makes fouling more common and not that high quality shooters draw more fouls.

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