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1.A master of cheat knows it better than everyone that you should not buy 2 players from the same team
The ones you are banning every day are just noob cheaters

A real newcomer when he has no clue of the game is going to buy a monster with +300k salaries for 188k instead of paying that money for a trash player who`s estimated price is listed of course at 1k

You don`t want to see that because you simply can`t find a shared ip

My final word : You can be lucky finding a young team with no clue for 1 time, 2 time 10 time 100 time but don`t you think its not luck with that much of players transferred this way??

These are all very good points. I don't see how anyone could argue against this in good faith...

(not talking about specific teams, just talking in general. this is definitely going on.).

You underestimate the number of people ready to pay foolish sums

But according to the game manual... that's against the rules??? (you said this is the place to discuss such things)

GAME MANUAL:
(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/rules.aspx?nav=Rule...)

It is against BuzzerBeater rules to bid above market rates on a player.

AND

Furthermore, if someone overbids on a player you have posted on the Transfer List, it is YOUR responsibility to report this overbid to the GMs.

BB allows teams to continuously, and DELIBERATELY, list + sell players for non-market rates without consequence. And allows teams to fail to report overbids 20+ times without consequence!!!

A $1k scrub being sold for $200,000 to $700,000 is not market value. Not even close. Unless you want to make a semantic argument that market value is whatever someone is willing to pay. But that means you can't fine anyone... EVER. It means that selling a 30 year old benchwarmer for $10,000,000 is also market value, as someone was willing to pay it.

I think I'm a good GM because I don't ban someone unless he is proven guilty and he still has a chance to appeal after that.

Even criminal court cases have a lower burden of proof than you're requiring. Let alone a civil trial. Circumstantial evidence alone has been enough to give people life in prison. I don't think that requiring a higher burden of proof for cases of BB cheating than for cases of murder makes you a good GM. Sorry. It's one thing to be fair, but another thing to ignore the obvious.

Some teams have even publicly admitted to multiple accounts + illegitimate transfers & still aren't banned. It's beyond a joke. (Not saying that you personally handled those cases)

I think cheating happens, certainly, but I don't think it's as bad as you guys make out.

I think cheating affects NT teams the most. Of course it changes the game in various ways, but international league is where it's easiest to use the effectiveness of cheating.

lol, you forgot to put what i wrote in quotes.

Ok, so you got fined a few times. Did they ban you for not reporting yourself? If not, please explain what the actual consequence of not reporting yourself was??? There was none. And teams like I'm talking about are actually rewarded for *not* reporting their own BS transfers. (less transfers reviewed = less chances for fines).

If you really want to quibble about "without consequence"... fine. Change it to "without major consequence." The essence remains true. Even occasionally fined frequent cheaters are better off financially than people who don't cheat. And without bans... the more often a team cheats, the better! They won't catch you every time!

That's exactly what a lot of other online games do once they lose control. The focus shifts to keeping things quiet, & punishing those who dare expose cheating. Instead of punishing the cheaters themselves. One fairly popular game even had to remove their forums entirely! (After the community simply wouldn't stand for the coverup). We'll see if BB follows suit or not... (not removing the forums, but on the other part)

Just to clarify on this topic. It is against the BuzzerBeater rules of conduct to publicly discuss specific cheating cases and/or make cheating accusations. So, yes, such discussions may be moderated (I have moderated many in the past) and those users exposing cheating may also be punished (I have at least warned, probably even fined users for using the public forums for that). The cheating report tool is how things are handled, not the public forums. If you feel such an approach is a shift in focus, the shift happened years ago.

(even people that publicly admit to cheating aren't always banned)

Might be a good idea to report these cases. Also please note that not every case of cheating is punished by banning, there are other punishments such as fines.

Last edited by GM-WallyOop at 4/30/2013 4:50:05 AM

i havent read thru this whole thread, but this seemed a good example of how the new transfer rules will fail to address this problem.

If they had enacted the change to enthusiasm it would have affected the overall team. If each sold player is a loss of a level of enthusiasm it would have an impact on the whole team.

In this case, a lost level of GS to an overpriced crappy player likely doesnt make a difference.

Might be a good idea to report these cases. Also please note that all cheating is not punished by banning.

You may want to consider rewording that....