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Of course, widening free agency is a temporary patch and may alleviate the pressure somewhat - though it probably would needed to have been done right when Utopia started to mitigate the initial surge in demand. But the problem with that as a solution is that it relies entirely on people leaving the game, which is as unappealing a situation to me as the WarGames dilemma from before. If the game can't be balanced without having to push people out to achieve the balance, it's probably too far gone to be saved in the first place.

If it were my game, I think a combination of massively increased training speed for low potential players, plus a guarantee they can reach a decent skill level (e.g., 10 in any main skill, 7 in any secondary) and improvements in the draft (add some older, "finished" 10-15k players who can't really be trained much further to replace the low end guys) would be a sustainable solution. It probably would end up going too far the other way, but if those players stop being worth much on the TL at least they'd be so quick to create that actually building your own improvement players would be more feasible.

Thanks for the background on how all this came to be. I think I reaped the benefits of the massively cheap transfer market a few times, and definitely got burned on a player sale or two, before it swung to the other side of the spectrum.

The way I see it, there will always be a trickle of people leaving the game, so adjusting the free agency threshold would just ensure that more players from those teams make it to the transfer market. I don't consider widening the free agency net an act of pushing people out.

I think it was you who asked about the illogicality of training as it is currently set up. Here, from Hrudey's post, is just one of the illogical points:

having to train them instead of playing a full-strength competitive lineup

I don't know. I'd call it more inconvenient than illogical. It makes sense to me that if you want to train your guys who aren't as good as your other guys, it won't be without an investment of time playing sub par lineups as these guys gain game experience. Now, we can even play guys wherever you want and train them in any skill. Sure, there's a penalty for that, but still. It offers an interesting alternative to playing a mono-skilled classic big man at PG (and seeing him get 10 TO's) to get better at Passing.

I'd call it more inconvenient than illogical. ... playing sub par lineups ...

And the real life basketball league where that is necessary, where a guy doesn't get coached and trained at all unless he plays in the regular games, where the last two or three guys onthe end of the bench (who need training the most) don't get trained ... the real life basketball league where that happens ... is ...
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*crickets*

Well, that would benefit the top teams, so of course I'm all for no penalties when you train.

/sarcasm

(if we are to play that game of crickets and sarcasms)

... the real life basketball league where that happens ... is ...

Haven't got one, do you? Because there isn't one.

I'd call it more inconvenient than illogical. ... playing sub par lineups ...

And the real life basketball league where that is necessary, where a guy doesn't get coached and trained at all unless he plays in the regular games, where the last two or three guys onthe end of the bench (who need training the most) don't get trained ... the real life basketball league where that happens ... is ...
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*crickets*

(enter Rod Serling)
Come with me, if you will, to another dimension -- a dimension not only of sight and sound, but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land where practice may indeed occur behind the scenes, but where true experience and training comes only from playing in league games, national tournaments, and scrimmages. And thus, managers must make a fateful decision every time their team takes to the arena: do we play to win, or do we also play to train, shaping our future for seasons to come? It is this battle of minds, savvy, and wits that creates the drama and intrigue of this land and league known only as... Buzzerbeater.
(exit Rod Serling)

I get what you are saying now about it being illogical compared to real life, but if you were allowed to train anyone in any skill at any time, that would just be too easy. The current method of training makes things more interesting, and leads to tough decisions where managers have to gauge whether to train or play their best lineup. Or, if they are well developed they can do both. I may be in the minority, but I like it the way it is.

Whats make you i think i don't know anything about macroeconomics

First of all I don't know who Marmin is and I never said about capping income, but about taxing SAVINGS. The fact that you have a degree in Business and Finance should be enough to know the difference, but then again... I won't ride the stereotype... You throw everything into a pot, stir around and then write up some complete nonsense. Real talk.

If you really want to bring up the "capping is communism" theory... US leagues impose caps on Team and Player salaries. LeBron could make 50 mil in a "free market" there have to be limitations though. I recommend you move to China - no commies there.

If there were no mechanism for a manager to adjust by creating their own players or by choosing not to, as circumstances warrant, that would be a severe problem.

sorry for coming in late to the party, just reading through. I think the training speed is too slow for people to be able to effectively choose their optimal strategy (especially with significant changes to the market, which may be affected, among other things, by decisions made by the developers, therefore entirely in the hands of the people running the game) and the free agency market isn't managed appropriately based on contingent market conditions to reduce the issue of very high inflation or deflation (a change every 10 seasons is just not good enough)

A team 1$ in red or a team 499,999$ in red are not pumping money into anything except outside of BB. Nobody get their money.

They are paying players' salaries. Salaries are part of the cost of a player. So they are spending their money in the transfer market in a way. You can easily understand this considering the purchase price as the upfront price and the salary as a deferred price paid for that player (then you'd need to estimate his value at the end of his useful life).