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31707.100 in reply to 31707.98
Date: 5/31/2008 11:14:41 AM
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I think some people give too much importance to height in a basketball game in real life.

If height was that much important Manute Ball would be the best player of all times and not Michael Jordan.

Better yet, Manute Ball would have to be better rebounder than Shaq or Rodman for instance.

And remember that Manute Ball played in the NBA, therefore I guess he had the proper training witha lvl 10 coach :P

And last but not least, if you consider heigth, u would have to consider, speed, strength, agility and other phisical aspects that aren't implemented in the game.

I think that would not make a better BuzzerBeater, and even based on real life height is not allways a good thing... Have seen lots of 7'xx guys that are really just crappy players... ;)

Just my 2 cents in a good discussion so far... ;)


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31707.101 in reply to 31707.100
Date: 5/31/2008 4:47:31 PM
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This is the problem that you guys just don’t get. I never said the taller the player the better he is. I said when my best post player with a level 10 inside score with a level 10 rebounding has to play someone he is taller than and I doubt had 8 or more in either rebounding or inside defense that he should be able to go off. The same way Shaq did for years over smaller centers as well. Shaq usually had a 4inch height difference and my center had 10 inches.

This has nothing to do with manute, chuck nevit, Mark Eaton or and other tall center compared to any other players. Also those players had specialties as each one of hem dominated in blocks. That’s why they stuck around

So please if you disagree with me that’s fine but stop changing the topic into height rules or something of that nature. I just don’t think that real low post players should be getting pushed around by players playing out of position.

That is why weight should be added cause if you have a center with good skills who weighs allot then most short players can’t push him out of the way.

You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, Know when to walk away and know when to run. You never count your money when youre sittin at the table. Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
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31707.102 in reply to 31707.101
Date: 5/31/2008 6:56:15 PM
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shaq would be lvl 18 at least with lvl 8 FT

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31707.103 in reply to 31707.70
Date: 5/31/2008 7:04:31 PM
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Rodman and Wallace are the minority in real life. And here we are letting everyone make their weird mismatches the majority



Your money boy and you don't play in the NBA which you like as a comparision ... but take a look at weaker leagues, which represents the quality from most players here - their a big guys which plays under their potential and smallerr guys who don't make it not becuase of their ability to play because of their hight. So the big guys could get in the higher leagues if they train hard the small one would play in low devisions ...

But you had to think that you don't draft Le Bron James etc., here all player starts as a low level and have to train long to reach the top and this road would become longer because the actually top player get their training to reach a top level.

The other possibility was introducing high, and stop training at proficient so that new draft could compete from start on.

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31707.104 in reply to 31707.81
Date: 5/31/2008 7:08:28 PM
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that is not a reason why it cant be changed. Maybe you dont understand my question. You say it cant be changed. Why cant it be changed. I understand how it works. I disagree with it but that is a different story.

Why cant it be changed . Why should this not be part of the game. What is the reasoning that you say it cant be changed. And please stop giving one liners that you think makes it obvious and explain with details on why it cant or have someone who can explain why it cant be implemented.

Thank you



Because it works another way, people pay good money to current good but small inside players, others who don't spend money on then and maybe got high player will profit from it ... You will change the current system the game works dramatically, which makes your former decision to a lottory. Thats crap in a longterm game.

Especially if you play this game with an long term aspect you will see the height distirbution you like to see. So maybe you are playing the wrong game if you can't look two steps ahead.

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31707.105 in reply to 31707.103
Date: 6/1/2008 6:07:08 AM
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I use examples of the NBA because people know who they are and they use the same examples I figured you would understand that.

As for the debate it does not matter if we talk the NBA, College, High School, Euroleague, ULEB Cup, or any league from division 1-5 in any country.
It is a known thing that players in the low post have an easier time scoring over shorter players. If you have a level 10 guard in inside defense who is 6'6 and is playing a 7'2 center with a level 10 inside scoring the level 10 should have a slight advantage because he can shoot over him. If they are going head to head all game long. If it is off a switch then it’s a play here and there and no big deal.

If you want to tell me the 6’6 player is athletic and can leap and the 7'3 player is overweight and can’t move ok fine but that means if he gets position on particular plays it is a basket or foul. For you to make the argument that it will work its way out in a few years we will see.

The point is that in real life which this game is based on at any level where teams train 4-5 times a week they have players who take advantage of mismatches in the low post as guards take advantage against bigger guards who can’t move as well.

Add weight to the game to know which small players can go down low and which big men can’t go outside as a general move will add to this game and make it more tactical.

That is what basketball is. Finding a tactical advantage for your team to win and when I have solid player with a huge height advantage he should be able to exploit it. Not buying the 5 best players and throwing on the court not caring who plays where and who they guard.

You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, Know when to walk away and know when to run. You never count your money when youre sittin at the table. Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
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31707.106 in reply to 31707.105
Date: 6/1/2008 6:11:41 AM
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the inside defense from 10 is even harder to reach for the small guy ;) And i giving you exampel of an 1.84cm center, where you just saying that he plays on 3 or 2 because they are bigger players inr oster without even seen a game from it, or looking into google.

And yes he could even defense bigger guys in our league ... he is not normal, thats why he got the nick "mr. incredible", but those players ain't normal here to.

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31707.107 in reply to 31707.106
Date: 6/1/2008 6:30:12 AM
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i agree with you but they should be the rarity and there are far to many of them and that is the problem. So this Mr. incredible is one of those guys who can gdo it that does not make it the case to have 5 or 6 big men in every league doing it.

You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, Know when to walk away and know when to run. You never count your money when youre sittin at the table. Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
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31707.108 in reply to 31707.107
Date: 6/1/2008 6:46:22 AM
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so wait a while ;) And in low leagues you got more missmatches who was win from the body limited players, and actually all teams(or should i say 95%) are playing with low league players.

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31707.109 in reply to 31707.107
Date: 6/1/2008 12:26:59 PM
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i agree with you but they should be the rarity and there are far to many of them and that is the problem. So this Mr. incredible is one of those guys who can gdo it that does not make it the case to have 5 or 6 big men in every league doing it.

The actual rarity are skilled players who can take advantage from the existing mismatch (because playing a 6'5 center _is_ a mismatch in the BB to the extent to which its skills are limited by his size). Unless, of course, you think that respectable centers are par for top leagues.

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