BuzzerBeater Forums

Suggestions > Make shotblocking skill useful

Make shotblocking skill useful

Set priority
Show messages by
This Post:
00
67475.100 in reply to 67475.99
Date: 1/15/2009 10:09:40 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
225225
But even if it worthless, is improves the others skills fast an even an 16 in driving doesn't cost many salary ...
Wait, does that mean that it's ok to train a worthless skill just because it doesn't add salary?


And there are lot team in germany who get succesful with training lot of driving, this could be and sign.
And every morning the sun rises half an hour after I get up, but that doesn't mean I make the sun rise. You have to do better than this.


You can not even proove the concept of js right, because it have the same effect like driving, you take more shoots and maybe the percentages improves a bit.
I don't quite understand what you're talking about (or how it relates to the case in point).


Guess what blocking he has -> (4599819)
I am much more interested in what stamina he has.


Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 1/15/2009 10:10:34 AM

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
This Post:
00
67475.101 in reply to 67475.100
Date: 1/15/2009 10:14:08 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
959959
Wait, does that mean that it's ok to train a worthless skill just because it doesn't add salary?


read the complete sentence please, the training is pretty strong, so you won't waste anything in training it ...

And there are lot team in germany who get succesful with training lot of driving, this could be and sign.


And every morning the sun rises half an hour after I get up, but that doesn't mean I make the sun rise. You have to do better than this.


You a an genious, sometimes succes depends on good decisiosn and not bad ones.

This Post:
00
67475.102 in reply to 67475.101
Date: 1/15/2009 10:19:22 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
225225
Wait, does that mean that it's ok to train a worthless skill just because it doesn't add salary?
read the complete sentence please, the training is pretty strong, so you won't waste anything in training it ...
No matter how you slice it, the fact is that neither me nor you have a real perception of how much exactly driving helps your team, and yet feel compelled to call this training useful for some reason.

And as you yourself correctly alluded in one previous post, you always lose something by training skill X -- the training you could have gained in any other skill for this time.


You a an genious, sometimes succes depends on good decisiosn and not bad ones.
There was a team who won three consecutive championships in Bulgaria by training team JS. He must have been taking some good decisions, I guess...

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 1/15/2009 10:20:15 AM

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
This Post:
00
67475.103 in reply to 67475.100
Date: 1/15/2009 10:20:29 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
2727
Listen leave that this is about SB usless thing in the game.

I have a center with colossal(19) SB that in his avg per game play 41 and do 0.8 SB

And i have a Shooting Guard with respectable(7) SB that ply avg 28 min and do 1.4 SB

Is that realistic? is the SB skill level is example for something realted to SB made in the game itself? NO!!!

How can a player with almost 1\3 skill level do almost X2 blocks per game for more the half seasen?!?

Do i really need more proofs for the current LAME SB SYSTEM?

This Post:
00
67475.104 in reply to 67475.100
Date: 1/15/2009 10:23:05 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
959959
[
Guess what blocking he has -> (4599819)
I am much more interested in what stamina he has.


pretty bad that you watch, his skills i guess ... it is allowed to do this? I just wanted to figure out if it possible to watch whch blocking skill he have is nearly impossible to see in the stats.
And i could tell you that other player with low stamina block also at that numbers, but with totally different skill.

So it is your buissness to spy your opponents also, because their skills could be intresting for you, too?

This Post:
00
67475.105 in reply to 67475.104
Date: 1/15/2009 10:31:46 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
225225
[
Guess what blocking he has -> (4599819)
I am much more interested in what stamina he has.


pretty bad that you watch, his skills i guess ... it is allowed to do this? I just wanted to figure out if it possible to watch whch blocking skill he have is nearly impossible to see in the stats.
And i could tell you that other player with low stamina block also at that numbers, but with totally different skill.

So it is your buissness to spy your opponents also, because their skills could be intresting for you, too?

As a matter of fact, I don't see player skills. I run analysis based on my own players, and what I could see is that even 2-3 levels of stamina can cause a significant difference in shots blocked between players who have similar skills and play comparative minutes.

So, I take it I guessed correctly that his stamina level is somewhere between god-awful and pathetic?

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
This Post:
00
67475.106 in reply to 67475.105
Date: 1/15/2009 10:43:01 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
959959
my best shot blocker have pretty low stamina, and lower BS and Stamina skills then all the other big mens ;)

And on the TL it look on a different way i don't know if today .. The best shot blockers with blocking +2 even have just 2 in stamina - so i hope that wasn't a ups i shouldn't say that.

Edit. ok just the best ;) The second is behind.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/15/2009 10:44:23 AM

This Post:
00
67475.107 in reply to 67475.84
Date: 1/15/2009 1:42:34 PM
Overall Posts Rated:
137137
The real problem is the distribution. There is very little correlation between the shot blocking skill and the number of blocks. If somebody with no skill in shot blocking is blocking at 0.5 - 1.0 bpg -- those with the skill are blocking only a fraction higher -- then the skill is practical worthless.

I agree that distribution is a problem. I said this a couple of posts up.

I don't think this necessarily makes the skill worthless for centers, since shot blocking on guards doesn't help you as much when the opponent is playing an inside tactic.


The reason that's its worthless, is that the amount of blocks that a player with good and bad shot blocking skill level is only marginally different. In some cases, I don't think its different at all. That means the skill is adding nothing.

In any case, shot blocking is not modeled in a particular accurate manner.


Steve
Bruins

This Post:
00
67475.108 in reply to 67475.107
Date: 1/15/2009 1:48:02 PM
Overall Posts Rated:
225225
The reason that's its worthless, is that the amount of blocks that a player with good and bad shot blocking skill level is only marginally different. In some cases, I don't think its different at all. That means the skill is adding nothing.

I find a significant difference between the number of shots blocked by a C with atrocious SB and one with strong SB (and yes, I have both on my roster), when they're put into roughly similar condition. I guess this means I disagree with your statement.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
This Post:
00
67475.109 in reply to 67475.108
Date: 1/15/2009 2:49:01 PM
Overall Posts Rated:
576576
What about 5 and 6? In my case, the 5 gets 2.2 and the 6 gets .9, and they both play inside, and around the same # of mins.

Is the 5's +2 in stamina really that much of a driver and, if so, then if you want more SB just train stamina?

edit - I have no reason to support a change, as I've made sure not to waste time training shot blocking on bigs where it doesnt appear to have much effect, while I have made sure to buy guards with good shot blocking which does appear to have quite a bit of effect.

Last edited by brian at 1/15/2009 2:51:26 PM

"Well, no ones gonna top that." - http://tinyurl.com/noigttt
This Post:
00
67475.110 in reply to 67475.109
Date: 1/15/2009 3:14:26 PM
Overall Posts Rated:
225225
What about 5 and 6? In my case, the 5 gets 2.2 and the 6 gets .9, and they both play inside, and around the same # of mins.

Is the 5's +2 in stamina really that much of a driver and, if so, then if you want more SB just train stamina?

edit - I have no reason to support a change, as I've made sure not to waste time training shot blocking on bigs where it doesnt appear to have much effect, while I have made sure to buy guards with good shot blocking which does appear to have quite a bit of effect.

I only have that many centers. Here is my general observation for the guys that rotate in the PF/C positions

* high atrocious SB, strong stamina: ~0.3 blocks per 25 min
* high strong SB, strong stamina: ~1.5 blocks per 25 min
* high strong SB, mediocre stamina: ~1 block per 25 min
* high mediocre SB, mediocre stamina: ~0.6 blocks per 25 min
* awful SB, respectable stamina: ~0.4 blocks per 25 min

You can fill in the blanks, but I'd say the pattern is pretty clear.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
Advertisement