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I guess I should just "take your word" about what a new user will do, because you are speaking about pure "facts".
Yes.... Very reliavle.

New users probably just googled eBay, and mistakenly got to BB and prefered at the end to stay with BB because they liked the auction system here better than the one at eBay.
BB managing? What does that have to do with the game and with their joining "the club"?

Last edited by Pini פיני at 10/25/2011 4:05:07 PM

New users will try ALL.

Actually many of them try precious little for quite some time. And that is why we need to keep the game as simple as possible to keep them in the game long enough for them to understand it.

Honestly, the game existed long before your auto-bidding system, but you keep on telling is that people are leaving because of it and how "new users" would act. Instead, you not only ignore the shared experience of long-time users, you also try to make them look foolish and fail to even accept that their point of view is somehow valid, backing all this up with thesis backed up by data of the quality "it will be a better and less unfair system". There´s plenty people around who actually LIKE the current system, is it that hard to accept? And yes, some of those WOULD be pretty annoyed by out-bidding, as they are openly voicing concerns. So there is your data about the auto-bidding system beeing a "problem" to some degree. Mind taking that into your equation, instead of just going on and on about auto-bidding wonderland?

Just like you said - this is NOT ebay, so why implementing an ebay-tool here?

Managing in the real world has alot to do with timing and gonig for the right guy at the right time with the right price. Go and ask Mark Cuban about Steve Nash. He will tell you that beeing there at 0:01 on the crucial day might have mattered alot. And his "auto bidding system" failed badly. If this is about management, do your managing stuff. Where in the professional sports management world can you set an "auto-bid" function on a player? I want to sign Lionel Messi, so I´m bidding 100 Million Dollars, just in case you refuse I´ll raise by a million each time you turn down an offer or a different team offers more? It only works on ebay ... the real world works differently.

New users does not get tied to the game due to the auction.
You understand that this site is about BB managing and it is not called eBay. Right?

New users don't understand the clockworks of economics, tactics and training.
They get their new team and they want to improve it ASAP, so they run to the market (if they even consider training, they get the vague idea that it takes a lot of time), start looking for players they like, bid, bid, bid, refresh the page to see if someoneelse is bidding, bid again, etc... Basically the suspence of it all is what is addicting.
If you remove this fun of bidding, you lose the lure of the game.

Now, there is no fact that can prove that new users would always (or most of the time) use auto-bid, but I believe it's very likely.

New users will try ALL.

Actually many of them try precious little for quite some time. And that is why we need to keep the game as simple as possible to keep them in the game long enough for them to understand it.

OK, let's assume this is the reason, and not an excuse. [I think this is an excuse, but let's make a new statement]

A solution - new users cannot use auto-bids!
They need to be a full season in the game before they can use it.

You've got what you've wanted, and still the new auto-bid system can be used.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 10/25/2011 4:20:37 PM

i just want autobid every thursday who follow up a week, where the friday the 13th fall together with the full moon in australia. IF you shouldn't put in to many extra rules besides mine, because this one really rocks.

I still thinking that existing autobid, can not coexist with normal bidding even when you saying that bidding against an bot who never failed don't used trick is that fun like bidding against others. Een when you say to everyone that they lie when they say it.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 10/25/2011 4:22:59 PM

You are keeping writing "slogans" or "catch up phrases".

Now your main claim changed into - most people prefer current system, and that ("fact") not much leaving due to this unfairness.

1) The voting had been splitted up.
The voters are usually those who have time, and hence had tendancy to vote for the current system who give them advantage.

2) One of the very few who wrote here told that he considered leaving the game due to this system.

3) Guess what, those who already left could not add their vote to that...

4) By what the new suggested system preventing those who "like the current system" (but somehow you fail to explain why) behaving the same?
Reminder as I keep repeating myself - the last bid in an auto-bid system is the same bid (and only one) that a user that who could not attend an auction in current system will put.

5) Auction is not an "eBay" tool.In any way it is already implementing an auction...
But, users does not get to BB managing because they fill they want to "eBay". Otherwise, they would just go to eBay...

I'll repeat my answer to you too...

OK, let's assume this is the reason, and not an excuse. [I think this is an excuse, but let's make a new statement]

A solution - new users cannot use auto-bids!
They need to be a full season in the game before they can use it.

You've got what you've wanted, and still the new auto-bid system can be used.

i just want autobid every thursday who follow up a week, where the friday the 13th fall together with the full moon in australia. IF you shouldn't put in to many extra rules besides mine, because this one really rocks.

Again, a repeated slogans that were used and answered more than once before moving to another (after proved wrong).
So...
1) The Auto-Bid is not "rocks" - it come to fix unfairness on a game that is about BB managing and not come to test who has less limitations on life.

I still thinking that existing autobid, can not coexist with normal bidding even when you saying that bidding against an bot who never failed don't used trick is that fun like bidding against others. Een when you say to everyone that they lie when they say it.

2) There is nothing to "think" about. Prove why it is different.
It is not - as I've already gave examples many times before.

1) The voting had been splitted up.
The voters are usually those who have time, and hence had tendancy to vote for the current system who give them advantage

i won't say so, especially cause the advatage is very low, i am also buying often with a overbid how you say it - i call it a fair price.

I say the voters are often those dudes, who read the first post which is mostly in favour of the suggestion and vote then before making deeper thoughts or reading the discussion.

2) One of the very few who wrote here told that he considered leaving the game due to this system.

which give me more the opion that the vote is biased towards the suggestion, instead of against it.

3) Guess what, those who already left could not add their vote to that...

if that is so crucial then obviously a change will, lead to peiople leaving without getting those back who didn't continued.

4) By what the new suggested system preventing those who "like the current system" (but somehow you fail to explain why) behaving the same?
Reminder as I keep repeating myself - the last bid in an auto-bid system is the same bid (and only one) that a user that who could not attend an auction in current system will put.

the problem is you don't see it, so it is boring to bid against. And when you see it, there will be friends bidding just below the auto bid, or people who simple enjoy this. And this could lead to overpaying more, then you will most likely put in a higher number cause you say someone else had to pay the same amount then me before i pay it.

I say the voters are often those dudes, who read the first post which is mostly in favour of the suggestion and vote then before making deeper thoughts or reading the discussion.

I don't agree. What is known is that they where splitted up, so the argue most (and by far) prefer current system is just wrong, and this is the main point I had there.

One of the very few who wrote here told that he considered leaving the game due to this system.

which give me more the opion that the vote is biased towards the suggestion, instead of against it.

Yes, because those who against the new system just doesn't vote, but they are against it. Sounds "right"...

Guess what, those who already left could not add their vote to that...

if that is so crucial then obviously a change will, lead to peiople leaving without getting those back who didn't continued.

What will happen is that there will be less users who will leave the game due to this unfairness system.
On the other hand, saying that people will leave it due to eBay feature changed just shouts that your trying to find exuses against the suggested system.
This is NOT why users stay in the game, and I still didn't see why it changes things to those who favour it (excpet the fairness issue).

the problem is you don't see it, so it is boring to bid against. And when you see it, there will be friends bidding just below the auto bid, or people who simple enjoy this. And this could lead to overpaying more, then you will most likely put in a higher number cause you say someone else had to pay the same amount then me before i pay it.

I just didn't understand your claim here.