BuzzerBeater Forums

Well then decided:

I play: LI and Man to Man (or 3-2?)

You play: Motion and 2-3 Zone.

Will be a quite interesting game for sure..If I had to put a bet...it would be for you! :)

The same day I have a game with Massendefekt 67 - old rivalry ). Maybe he will agree to play 2-3 against my LI as well ))

i don't think that CrazyEye is brave enough to accept this challenge.. ;)

Well, he was brave enough to accept it in the past ;)

"And when this happens, when we have trained shot blocking sufficiently, when we reject shots from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of BuzzerBeater's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual:

Free at last from LI! Free at last from that terrible curse!

Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

i play it often enough, and the game where i accepted it was a close one so it would be worth it. If it would be today i would do it, if i get my reinforcement and i got the feeling that i beat him anyway like last season where i declined it since it have no value and i just risk loosing if he don't keep the deal and play outside attack.

Finally, we have an analysis of first team! It's RakBa's turn and I found 6 games with almost the same lineup. PF and C were swapped in two games, but I think it won't affect the statistics much.

RakBa's manager was kind enough to send me skills of his players. Looking at 6 outside skills, it's like this: PG is better in everything but HA than SG and SG is better in everything than SF.
SF has decent shooting, but also great inside skills (more like PF with good outside skills). PF has all outside skills at 5+, while C lacks in this area. Which is also visible when they swapped positions in two games.

First table's name is »Team %«

3p (3 pointers): Out of team's 3 pointers, how many were attempted by position
2P (Jump shots): Out of team's Jump shots, how many were attempted by position
IS (Inside shots): Out of team's Inside shots, how many were attempted by position
DR (Layups): Out of team's layups, how many were attempted by position
PA( Pass attempts (not assists!)): Out of team's pass attempts, how many were attempted by position

Example: Out of 181 Jump shots taken by whole team, 29% were taken by PG, 22 % by SG etc.

POS	3P	2P	IS	DR	PA	%SH	%PA
PG	49	29	10	40	34	34	34
SG	33	22	6	27	28	24	28
SF	7	22	17	15	18	15	18
PF	7	19	42	11	12	18	12
C	4	8	25	6	8	9	8

First table comment (out of all possessions, team has taken 25% of 3 pointers):

3 pointers were reserved for PG and SG spot. Given their high JR skill this is no coincidence and Game Engine (GE) decided 3 pointers will take one quarter of team's possessions. What would happen if PG and SG had low JR? I hope to find at least one, if not more such cases in one of next teams' analysis.

2 pointers were almost evenly distributed from PG to PF spot, even though PG and SG had much better jump shot than the rest of the team.

PF and C heavily lead in Inside shots. I expected a bit more from SF.

Pass attempts: Both PG and SG have great passing skill and SF doesn't trail by much. This is nicely reflected in distribution of pass attempts.

2nd table is »Individual %« and shows what each position has been doing in his possessoins (it takes into account shot+passes attempts)

3p (3 pointers): Out of individual's shot+pass attempts, how many 3 pointers were attempted by position
2P (Jump shots): Out of individual's shot+pass attempts, how many Jump shots were attempted by position
IS (Inside shots): Out of individual's shot+pass attempts, how many Inside shots were attempted by position
DR (Layups): Out of individual's shot+pass attempts, how many Layups were attempted by position
PA( Pass attempts (not assists!)): Out of individual's shot+pass attempts, how many passes were attempted by position

Example: Out of 217 shot+pass attempts taken by PG, he took 36% of 3p attempts, 24% of 2p attempts, 4% of IS attempts, 12% of DR attempts and 24% of pass attempts.

POS	3P	2P	IS	DR	PA
PG	36	24	4	12	24
SG	34	25	3	11	27
SF	12	38	14	9	27
PF	11	32	33	7	17
C	10	26	36	7	21

2nd table comment:

PG took 36% of 3P and 24% of both 2P and pass attempts out of his 100 possessions. I guess he wasn't a great distributer because his PA skill is worse by his JS and DR while being the same as JR. Same thing is true for all other positions.

Final opinion: RakBA is typical outside-based Motion team with two important disctinctions:

1. His PG is the best shooter on team, while a typical Motion team should probably place his best shooter at SG. This didn't hurt his game though as his PG had a high enough passing to dish the ball in situations where shooting the ball wasn't the best option.

2. His SG has high passing, so as PG he was also doing double-duty by shooting and passing quite a lot.
RakBa team doesn't have a player whose passing woud be his best offensive skill, so we can't see if a player would prefer to pass the ball rather than shoot based on his skills. However, this team will serve as a good comparison for others that are coming.

How would he fare against high OD teams? His offense focuses on his PG and SG (and SF to a lesser extent) who have high JR, which means they take a lot of outside shots. As we know, high OD stops outside shots very well, so this is what happens:

(39032025)

I haven't been able to understand one thing though. If a player has very little pass attempts, it means either he has bad passing skill or the player guarding him has much higher outside defense OR he has a high chance to score so he doesn't want ot pass. I think neither is true in three games I analyzed, so the question is:

Why did SF have only 2 pass attempts here (42308436), 2 pass attempts here (42354975) and only 1 pass attempt here (42605117)?

Last edited by Koperboy at 3/13/2012 7:23:58 AM

Haha...right.

:)

Maybe he had such a mismatch he couldn't pass an opportunity to shoot. It's tough to evaluate that now because we can't see game shapes of two players.