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188524.102 in reply to 188524.101
Date: 7/27/2011 6:33:28 AM
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but you should consider that the formula is made with average values, so when you have low respectable is should be more like 6,5 then 7.


Now I´m confused... I don´t underestand what you mean. Why a low respectable sould be closer than 6.5 than to 7? even considering that the formula is made with average values I don´t get it. Could you explain it a little bit more?

I have players close to their cap and I´m trying to make a non intensive trainiing to make them last a little bit longer, that´s why I want to be really precise stimating where they are (18,56 or 18, 67, etc...)

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188524.103 in reply to 188524.101
Date: 7/27/2011 7:08:12 AM
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I mean in the sub of the skill. As far as I know is impossible to predict the sub of the potential until is too late...

If I apply Josef Ka´s potential formulas including sublevels (i.e: 9.5 instead of 9 ) , I would be closer to the real cap number of that player (whatever it is) than if I just put the entire number (no decimals). Is that right?



but you should consider that the formula is made with average values, so when you have low respectable is should be more like 6,5 then 7.

No,because respectable is among 7 and 7.9
The formula is made with average value,but when a player reach respectable level,his skill is always superior to 7,at max you could consider a value more like 7.5 than 7

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188524.104 in reply to 188524.103
Date: 7/27/2011 7:13:47 AM
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I mean in the sub of the skill. As far as I know is impossible to predict the sub of the potential until is too late...

If I apply Josef Ka´s potential formulas including sublevels (i.e: 9.5 instead of 9 ) , I would be closer to the real cap number of that player (whatever it is) than if I just put the entire number (no decimals). Is that right?



but you should consider that the formula is made with average values, so when you have low respectable is should be more like 6,5 then 7.

No,because respectable is among 7 and 7.9
The formula is made with average value,but when a player reach respectable level,his skill is always superior to 7,at max you could consider a value more like 7.5 than 7



so if you examine 100 players with skill 7, the average skill ingame should be around 7,5. In the formula it appears at 7.

So when you have a seven ingame, shouldn't it 0,5 points below 7,5(which is 7 here)?

Last edited by CrazyEye at 7/27/2011 7:14:04 AM

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188524.105 in reply to 188524.104
Date: 7/27/2011 8:03:01 AM
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I mean in the sub of the skill. As far as I know is impossible to predict the sub of the potential until is too late...

If I apply Josef Ka´s potential formulas including sublevels (i.e: 9.5 instead of 9 ) , I would be closer to the real cap number of that player (whatever it is) than if I just put the entire number (no decimals). Is that right?



but you should consider that the formula is made with average values, so when you have low respectable is should be more like 6,5 then 7.

No,because respectable is among 7 and 7.9
The formula is made with average value,but when a player reach respectable level,his skill is always superior to 7,at max you could consider a value more like 7.5 than 7



so if you examine 100 players with skill 7, the average skill ingame should be around 7,5. In the formula it appears at 7.

So when you have a seven ingame, shouldn't it 0,5 points below 7,5(which is 7 here)?

that's non sense
when Josef received/observed the skill of the player to analize,he sees respectable as a value among 7 and 7.9,received for some/many player information about trainings and then come out with the formula
In game,if you know that a player has respectable,his value go among 7 and 7.9 because you don't know the decimals of that player,plain and simple

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188524.106 in reply to 188524.105
Date: 7/27/2011 8:30:40 AM
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I mean in the sub of the skill. As far as I know is impossible to predict the sub of the potential until is too late...

If I apply Josef Ka´s potential formulas including sublevels (i.e: 9.5 instead of 9 ) , I would be closer to the real cap number of that player (whatever it is) than if I just put the entire number (no decimals). Is that right?



but you should consider that the formula is made with average values, so when you have low respectable is should be more like 6,5 then 7.

No,because respectable is among 7 and 7.9
The formula is made with average value,but when a player reach respectable level,his skill is always superior to 7,at max you could consider a value more like 7.5 than 7



so if you examine 100 players with skill 7, the average skill ingame should be around 7,5. In the formula it appears at 7.

So when you have a seven ingame, shouldn't it 0,5 points below 7,5(which is 7 here)?

that's non sense
when Josef received/observed the skill of the player to analize,he sees respectable as a value among 7 and 7.9,received for some/many player information about trainings and then come out with the formula
In game,if you know that a player has respectable,his value go among 7 and 7.9 because you don't know the decimals of that player,plain and simple



in this ase you had to predict unknown player all with X,5 values, don't you think he would have mention this?

And Josef took player from transferlist, are you sure he ask for training them, to get a feeling for their subs? Especially when he research in an area with unknown knowledge about training speed?

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188524.107 in reply to 188524.106
Date: 7/27/2011 10:24:34 AM
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You should ask Josef about the method he used and if he consider some kind of adjustements for decimals
And I think that some users send him the skills of their own player with the backword trainings(he surely didn't ask to train players to test formula -.-" ) to help his research

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188524.108 in reply to 188524.107
Date: 7/27/2011 11:12:29 AM
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How 'bout that Coach_Parrot integration? Is it coming anytime soon? I'm too lazy to insert the formula myself not that I probably even could ;)

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188524.109 in reply to 188524.107
Date: 7/27/2011 3:11:20 PM
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I expect that he used 7.00-7.99 for respectable. I asked him in case of salary formula long time ago. And if I remember right it was like that. So probably this time as well.

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188524.110 in reply to 188524.108
Date: 8/4/2011 3:06:50 AM
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if you want a simple tool that uses Josef Ka great work, i created for my self an Excel file that I wanted to share and you can download it here :
(192823.1)

there's an Excel version and an Open office (not tested).
any feedback is welcome.

Many thanks to Josef Ka and contributers for this great work !

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188524.111 in reply to 188524.110
Date: 8/4/2011 4:45:54 AM
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Great, thanks!

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188524.112 in reply to 188524.84
Date: 8/4/2011 1:12:38 PM
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I think the answer to my question does lie somewhere in this thread and i think i have read it as well but i'm asking in order to clarify it and be sure that i got you right.

Is it correct, that the Capcalculation is independent of the position, the player is listed by the engine or the most suitable, and should be done for all positions, since a player has reached his cap, if he did so at any position, no matter what. Thus only the skillset, apllied on your formula - by position - does come into account here?

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