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284770.102 in reply to 284770.100
Date: 2/22/2017 6:01:48 AM
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And Joe, our coach has a 94% approval rate, yours has 63%... and rightly so, in both cases.
Lol, man...look who's giving alternative facts.

Belgium U21: 76% 26+,8-
England U21: 81% 22+, 5-
Holland U21: 94% 16+ 1-

Where the hell do you read 63%????????

Knowing that the Belgium U21 is Athrunzala and he's probably ruffled some feathers among other Belgian users (no offense meant to AZ) I'd consider it pretty good only 8 people voted him down. He also made the quarterfinals without destroying his team's chances.

Also rings and silverware talk. I'm sure Jerunderbar is a nice guy and an expert manager, but he has had 0 success in a nation less than half the size England and Belgium. Do you understand winning?

I'd stop embarrassing myself trying to explain results and decisions you are clearly unable to grasp.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/22/2017 6:44:03 AM

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284770.103 in reply to 284770.97
Date: 2/22/2017 6:02:29 AM
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Ukraine did 2 seasons ago. Holland lost by 8 to Serbia, probably the second or third best team left (accounting for HCA) with 2 wrong GDP and bad Ent. The CT v TIE will not equalise so much difference in Ent+2x wrong GDP. What more proof do you need that at this level anyone really has a chance? They are the proof.

Of course settling for mediocrity severely hinders your chances as I explained before and that will increase the likelyhood you don't get anywhere. It'd be like me crunching GullyFoyle the reigning EBBL and cup champion in the league just to obtain a prestigious victory and disregarding the chances of making the playoffs. It's nonsense. Savvy?

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284770.104 in reply to 284770.92
Date: 2/22/2017 6:26:18 AM
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Anything else then that would have been a certain defeat. I think that all people in this thread agrees to that except you at this point.
You part of the 0% club now too? Should I remind you what you wrote at the beginning of this thread? If you don't think it's 0% then assign probabilities to all the rounds and show me that the higher probability of winning the Italy game combined with a lower probability of winning the remaining 4 is a superior strategy compared to a much lower probability of winning the Italy game and much higher of winning the rest.

You can't have it both ways Manon. You can't say anyone has a chance to win a game, then say trying to win the tournament is an invalid strategy because they had 0% chance of beating Italy. It's illogical, I'm sure you understand that.

CT is the only correct strategy if you don't look past R32, you have no ambition and you settle for mediocrity.

If they used less effort in the games against Poland and Belgium they would have let in more points and lost by a larger marginal, and would have won easier. The question is what would have given the most though as they only was ~20 points ahead of Belarus to grab the last playoff spot.
Poland was their second game. There is no justification whatsoever for losing on a Normal v TIE the second game. If they TIE that, the PD will be worse in that single game and better in every other game after that. Do the math. If they TIE that game they would have avoided Italy in the first round, it's actually fairly obvious. This is just a short-sighted way to manage a team, which is fine if you have no ambition, you think you're bad and will not get anywhere anyway and you put in place actions that will actually make that result more likely.

The manager of the Dutch U21 team may not have distributed their ent in the best way during the season, but he sure did the right thing to CT Italy.
I disagree. They could have beaten Serbia with more Ent, the CT ensured that their tournament was much less likely to progress further.

In Buzzerbeater you're not betting your own money. It makes no sense to be so risk adverse in designing the strategy, it makes no sense to settle for mediocrity at the U21 where the players change from one season to the next. It makes a lot more sense to go 100% or bust unless your chances are very very low since the start (i.e. if you're a micronation). The Serbia game showed Holland sold themselves very short and bad coaching put them in a position not to succeed.

I think we just have to agree to disagree. We can't possibly continue to rehash the same points.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/22/2017 6:56:14 AM

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284770.107 in reply to 284770.105
Date: 2/22/2017 10:32:55 AM
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And by the way, "Joe" was Joetheshow, the italian guy, not me (I think) ;)
I think you think correctly, I thought the guy turned on you because you criticised his U21 coach. I was wrong, Italy is indeed at 63% 86+, 50- as fierljeppen said, not that this is indicative of how good or bad the coach has been. I mean it could just be that 16 Dutch managers have no clue about whether their coach is good or bad or, more likely, they just didn't bother changing their vote after the elections (single candidate).

We have won by 1, with a perfect GDP, against no GDP and with an enthusiasm at his maximal possible value.
Same story really, but obviously the closer you are to the end the higher the incentive to use Enthusiasm. It's the same reason why it's mind boggling to Normal Poland in the second game and losing by 20.

Also as you or someone else said, you need to consider the possibility of other teams also crunching and winning (whoever said was right that it's fair to assume not everyone will behave rationally), but in the end the guys who will get to the end are those who saved Ent and playing someone who crunched is a pretty safe way to save Ent.

If you did Crunch I think you'll lose in the next round, just like Holland, barring some miracle with GS. Note also that the argument about seeding is more pertinent for you (as Nachtmahr also mentioned referring to England Senior who are no. 6) because Belgium is currently around 10th place and not in the mid 20s.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/22/2017 10:39:55 AM

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284770.108 in reply to 284770.106
Date: 2/22/2017 10:33:18 AM
Folgado Lakers
IV.32
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Second Team:
Folgado Lakers II
Not even Canada can beat us playing nor vs TIE... haha

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284770.109 in reply to 284770.108
Date: 2/22/2017 10:36:49 AM
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Nope not this season! (with, what I can divulge now, a starting center at the time of IS 11 and ID 11 for your info) XD

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284770.110 in reply to 284770.108
Date: 2/22/2017 10:45:53 AM
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More like not the US, not China, hardly anybody really.

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284770.112 in reply to 284770.100
Date: 2/22/2017 12:30:55 PM
Durham Wasps
EBBL
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Sunderland Boilermakers
And Joe, our coach has a 94% approval rate, yours has 63%... and rightly so, in both cases.

Lemon's already commented on this, but since I'm the one who deserves 63% approval apparently, I'll join him in pointing out how wrong your statement is. As already pointed out it's actually 81%. Why do you think mine should be 63% and the Netherlands coach should have 94%? By any rational comparison I don't think I've done 31% worse than your coach.

I preferred to give my team a chance to win, and to go on in the tournament by trying to do something tactically instead of just pressing CT. In the past I've referred to that as mugging. But each to their own is beautiful of course.

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